Conservatives are happier than liberals because of greater access to “social capital”.
Researchers from Australia conducted an experiment among 816 undergraduate students and found conservatives were happier than liberals due to access to greater social and material advantage.
The study’s results help shed light on the social structure and economic dimensions of conservatism.
helen stream
teacher
I'm very surprised that UQ came to such a facile and seemingly predetermined conclusion. .
This presupposes that all conservatives are materially well-off, which they are not.
I would think it more likely that the reason conservatives are happier is that their world view is more optimistic by its very nature.
It's generally accepted, is it not , that human beings need, for their well-being, to feel in control of their lives to a large extent.
A liberal , in my experience, embraces…
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Funny, I've always associated conservatism with a more pessimistic outlook: today's world is going to the dogs, things were much happier back in the day, and so on . . . .
Stereotypes cut both ways I suppose.
Felix MacNeill
Environmental Manager
Of course the more obvious (if crude) conclusion would be that 'conservatives' are dumb (and I believe there actually is some evidence for that little bombshell of contention) and that dumb people don't have the sense to worry...
helen stream
teacher
Regan Forrest...
Those two statements you cite, don't necessarily signify pessimism.
An optimist might make such a statement, but resolve to do what he can to mitigate it, whereas a pessimist would be more likely to take a defeatist attitude.
If certain important aspects of society have been damaged---eg the Left's destruction of the education system in Australia, by abandoning, in the 70s, the teaching of grammar and phonics, and introducing the disastrous whole word, whole language method…
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Helen, I was being slightly facetious before. Personally I don't think people fit neatly into pigeonholes like the caricatures of liberals/conservatives you have presented. For instance I consider myself a social liberal but I'm in favour of teaching grammar and phonics. I don't see how one negates the other.
helen stream
teacher
Well, most liberals do favour grammar now, Regan---or profess to----now that so much undeniable damage has been done during the decades when Australia's children were deprived of the knowledge of their own language that even children learning English as a second language in other countries were getting.
I'm very glad you support the teaching of grammar now, but do you think it's right that the perpetrators of this deliberate damage to the lives and futures of young Australians and to the country…
Read moreFelix MacNeill
Environmental Manager
Helen, can you please publish the blueprints for the time machine in which you journeyed back to the past when Regan was doing irresponsible leftie damage to children?
Otherwise, I trust you'll understand ifi treat your little spit with the contempt it deserves.
Miles Ruhl
Thinker
Wow Helen, hw in the world can you possibly (and with a straight face no less) categorize people in 2 little boxes as you have above? That's quite a feat dear. The giveaway to your lack of insight is the comment "Bill Clinton is a liberal..."
Mr. Abbot is looking for a new COS at the moment, and with rhetoric like that, you'll fit right in! After all, it takes chutzpah (and as stated by another commenter) a Delorian fitted with a flux capacitor to come up with the stinking turd of a statement…
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Thinker
So have I Regan (associated pessimism with conservatism). Kind of their bread 'n' butter isn't it? Condemn, decry, then lambast with superfulous baloney anything slightly in the area of change. Mind you, Helen is a 'teacher' (who seems to know nothing of the history of her profession) and you're just a 'logged in via Twitter' so, really, what would you know?
Regan Forrest
logged in via Twitter
Personally, I don't care much for the moral high ground. It presumes a simplistic, binary view of the world and I think things are far messier and nuanced than that.
But since you raise the subject of education, I would wish to take a longer view of its history in order to assess its true legacy. Why do we even have universal education in the first place? Who advocated it? And who opposed it - thinking it was better to keep poorer children down the mines and up the chimneys?
While there may have been missteps along the way (nothing is perfect), universal education remains a project that has been championed primarily by progressives - it was designed to open the doors of social mobility to all, not entrench inherited privilege. Historically, conservatives opposed it - just like they opposed female suffrage, the abolition of slavery and the extension of civil rights.
But then I'm on Twitter so what the heck would I know? ;)
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
I think you may have hit it on the head with:
"don't really concern themselves with the future of this earth and species"
The inability to see a cliff your driving towards would certainly make happier travellers than those in the front seat, looking at the drop off rapidly approaching.
Michael Shand
Michael Shand is a Friend of The Conversation.
Software Tester
You can sum up the 21st century by the phrase " Short Term Happiness via burning Fossil Fuels"......I'd rather be slightly less happy and have a future, as it is, I was born into a world of ignorant docile happy fools who think having a large portion of the population hold their "Own Opinion" about scientific topics doesnt hurt anyone.....bring on the climate change
BREAKING NEWS: Informed people worry about reality and making a positive, ignorant people Know everything is fine
helen stream
teacher
Michael Shand....
I realize you've swallowed whole the GreenLabor propaganda on CAGW---the mad notion that at some apocryphal moment in the last decade or before, the science suddenly was settled on CAGW---'closed'----that all that needed to be known was already known, and no more input or alternative science or views were needed, or to be tolerated---even though vitally important cloud science isn't even factored in to the all-powerful---all-knowing--not-to-be-questioned climate models---and…
Read moreFelix MacNeill
Environmental Manager
Wow, that must be the best collection of PRATTs I've ever seen - did Andrew Bolt send you a big list for Christmas?
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
says it all:
"GreenLabor propaganda on CAGW" sigh.
It really IS two Australian political parties that have enveigled the entire world and scientific community into a dramatic conspiracy designed to further their evil "Australian" designs.
cue maniacal laughter.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
btw, are you currently employed as a teacher?
Miles Ruhl
Thinker
Scary thought that isn't it. KAP members may not want to have their kids taught by homosexuals but of course given their political bent (pun really not intended) they have no problem having them taught by clearly factually-imbalanced and ideologically fascist people such as Helen.
Now THAT scares the bejeezus out of me.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
My own experience is that Children can smell it, and act accordingly.
helen stream
teacher
Felix MacNeill...
In describing it as 'crude' you make a correct assessment of your conclusion on conservatives.
Your conclusion is not only crude, but dumb.
You couldn't get much more liberal than Jimmy Carter, probably America's worst ever president.
Bill Clinton's a liberal, and his social engineering that mandated the issue of the sub-prime loans and that, along with his administration's repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, produced the global financial crisis that bedevils the world…
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Helen
Glass-Steagall was repealed by congress and senate DURING Clinton's administration.
It's repeal had been part of the Bush Snr republican agenda.
The repeal bill was put forward by a REPUBLICAN.
"Your conclusion is not only crude, but dumb."
Actually, your comments here seem to establish the conclusion.
Conservatism criticisms of liberalism are not what liberals believe.
Geoffrey Edwards
logged in via email @gmail.com
Further to last
Gramm-Leach-Billey Act. that repealed Glass Steagall.
Introduced by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas),
Jim Leach (Republican, Iowa) and Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (Republican -Virginia).
Here is the a graphic of the voting record on the repeal of Glass Steagall via the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Vote_1999.png
While both parties were complicit here are some interesting facts.
Republican support in both houses 98%
Senate Democrats 84%, house democrats 75%
Looking at he no vote only - democrats represent 88%
Republicans had a majority in both House and Senate. Republican opposition would have seen the bill fail, but of course, it was the Republicans who introduced it.
Felix MacNeill
Environmental Manager
helen, that it the most hysterical stream of irrelevant invective I've read in ages.
but thanks for the attack - I shakl treasure it in my memory along with the insults I've received from the redoubtable John Coochey. You should link up with him sometime - I'm sure you two could enjoy a little hate fest together.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
I wonder if our Liberal/National Coalition would take kindly to being called a Leftist?
Ted Black
Retired
“The trouble with the world”, Bertrand Russell wrote, “is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
This idea that we can be "happy" all the time is possibly unnatural and foolish? stereotyping will get us any conclusions we chose to argue too I suspect, particularly research based on what undergraduates whose minds are still bubbling with development say they feel. We usually substitute the hard question "how do you feel" with an answer we "think" according to heuristics research I seem to remember.
Geoffrey Edwards
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"stereotyping will get us any conclusions we chose to argue too I suspect"
Indeed. Some quotes first before a bit more.
The snap-shot conclusions of the researchers are interesting
“It appears that what makes conservatives happy is not conservative ideology but rather their social and material advantage – the same advantage that makes conservative ideology appealing in the first place."
Material advantage as opposed to ideology. And somehow "Liberals" are evil for wanting to extend…
Read morePeter Ormonde
Peter Ormonde is a Friend of The Conversation.
Farmer
Move along folks ... nothing to see here ... conservatives are happier than leftwingers. That's not really a surprise... they don't think as much. And they adore complaining. Never happier.
And what's this curious slithering into a US Conservative/Liberal spectrum of opinion. Here Liberal means conservative. Now in America it might mean something different but in Australia our right wingers would be considered lefties. Patriots would be shooting at them.
So don't go calling me a liberal ever - no matter how small you make the L - in this country liberals wear blue suits and have blue hair some of 'em... Folks like me despise 'em. We still have lefties here and we like to keep those liberals over there we we can see 'em.
Please don't just mindlessly absorb these models and descriptors as though Alabama has become some acceptable framework for studying social and political thinking here.
Awful the way we just import this cultural sludge.
Robert Attila
Business Analyst
Not a nice or fair thing to do, despising people.
Everyone has valid & invalid points.
And whether or not we agree with them doesn't change that fact.