A couple of weeks back I awoke with a swollen and painful knee. I’ve had problem knees since high school and figured that this was just another chapter in the saga. Some days later I was fed up – my knee was preventing me from getting around and was keeping me awake. Time, I thought, for a quick trip to the doctor followed by targeted sessions with the physiotherapist.
My regular doctors weren’t available so I made an appointment with a GP I see occasionally. “I’ve had problems all my life,” I said. “I was seeing physiotherapists when I was 13 and have had aches and pains intermittently forever.”
She poked and prodded, discovered the bits that hurt most and determined that all the bits that should be there in my knee were still there. I suggested that physio might be the next step and she suggested an X-ray, just for a closer look.
At this point, I must have temporarily lost my mind, for in a completely unguarded moment, I said, “Of course, I know that I should lose a few kilos. I haven’t been this heavy for some time now.” Which, I discovered, was the catalyst that magically transformed me from an intelligent adult to a stupid and ignorant child who needed a good talking to.
But a little background: I was fat through childhood and on my first diet when I was four years old. I was transformed through my teenage years to a very curvy adolescent, before becoming grossly overweight in my 20s. I’ve spent my entire life dieting to become merely overweight, before gaining weight to become grossly overweight, then dieting again and so on. I managed to maintain my latest “thinner” state for a decade but the past two years have seen me heading back to a size I hoped I’d never achieve again. The doctor knows nothing of this and didn’t ask.
Instead, I got a lecture. “You shouldn’t eat processed food,” she said (I don’t eat processed food), adding “what I do to lose a bit of weight is to use a diet supplement instead of a meal once a day". Hold on, aren’t they products of highly processed stuff blended and whisked to make a sickly shake?
“What do you eat for dinner?” she asked. “What, whole grains and veggies?!” she screwed up her face. “Whole grains are carbs and full of calories!” she exclaimed, horrified. Doesn’t she realise that one gram of complex carbohydrate has around the same number of calories as one gram of protein? Yes, proteins can be satisfying over a longer period of time but environmentally, going with the grains is a sound decision and is recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Australian Adults.

She went on. “You eat curry? Coconut milk is really bad for you… You use kefir in your curries? Oh, I’ve never heard of that. You should get yourself a good cookbook and make meals with protein according to the recipes in the book. Start the day with a good breakfast: I eat porridge.” If she’d asked, I would have been happy to tell her I eat fresh fruit and plain, unprocessed, unsweetened yoghurt made with milk straight from a sheep. But she didn’t ask.
Naturally, I had turned off. I felt resentful and unhappy. I cook meals, lately with little protein, with the flavours from many countries that surround the Mediterranean and beyond. I eat Indian curries, Mexican salsas, fiery Moroccan tagines, dishes with brown rice and stir fried veggies, kamut and spelt pasta with fresh tomatoes and eggplants. I eat vast quantities of leafy greens as well as fresh peas, zucchinis, multi-coloured carrots, rainbow chard and kale – from my veggie patch. And fruit: berries, mangoes, whatever’s in season; plus apples, hazelnuts and persimmons from my fruit trees. I don’t eat takeaways, although my partner and I enjoy dinner in a nice restaurant when we can.
Why did I just sit and listen, and get angry? Why didn’t I interject, cite references to journal articles about diet and weight; to the fact that, sadly, according to the literature, most fat teenagers grow into fat adults; that after dieting, according to some of the literature, most people put the weight they lost back on plus a bit extra each time?
Why didn’t I say that actually, my diet doesn’t contain processed foods, sugary drinks, trans fats, biscuits, pizzas and fries?
Why didn’t I say that if losing weight was so easy, I really would not be fat, I would be slim. And certain television personalities would not spend years in very public attempts to be and stay slim.
So how did I feel when I hobbled out of the surgery? I swore that I would never again look for empathy from my doctor. I reflected on the growing number of desperate fatties trying to manage their weight in an obesogenic environment and pondered on how sad and pathetic their doctors have made them feel.

Why didn’t I protest? I’ve been pondering that question myself. I can only think that I was simply rendered dumb by the implication that because I am overweight, my knowledge is therefore inadequate; my intelligence limited and my food choices unhealthy.
Don’t assume that the fat person in front of you eats rubbish food and relishes takeaways, chips and chocolate. Most fatties know more about diet that any thin person who’s never tried to diet. Why don’t we succeed? Why can’t we manage the weight loss and maintain a sensible weight? That’s a problem we’re all trying to resolve, trust me on that.
A person whose addiction is for one more serving of dinner, one more bite of dessert, cannot give up food for life. Eating is a social act, much like drinking alcohol. And through each painful period of dieting, denial becomes a permanent state of being. “I’m sorry, I can’t meet for dinner, I’m on a diet and one indulgent meal means no weight loss this week.”
My message to doctors? If you want to provide positive support to those patients who battle to maintain their weight, treat them with respect and know that many have detailed knowledge of food choices and diet plans. Don’t assume that they live on junk food and, unless you’re up to date with the healthy food guidelines, don’t preach.
The doctors’ practice I attend calls itself a community medical practice and it occupies a spacious airy building. Perhaps inviting community members to attend a weekly support group would open the food and diet conversation up to both the community and to the doctors within the practice. But most of all, it would teach you not to judge us.
By the way, the physio is wonderful. I should be able to restore my knee to usefulness in time and the strapping and sticky bandages have stopped the excruciating pain. And most importantly, I can walk around campus again.
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rory robertson
rory robertson is a Friend of The Conversation.
former fattie
Hi Penny, I have had two ACL knee constructions, so I get knee problems. In my adult life, I have struggled with both my weight and my knee. Happily, I now have both sorted via an improved diet. The best book I have read on the topic of diet and nutrition science is the fascinating Good Calories, Bad Calories - a.k.a. “Good Science, Bad Science” – by former The New York Times science reporter Gary Taubes. And I plan to give away a copy of his book each week until Christmas: http://www.australianparadox.com/
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
I'm hoping to avoid any surgery so I'll keep doing as my physio says! Thanks, Rory
Paul Wittwer
Orchardist
Rory, I just read most of the information and letters at your web site and found it fascinating. Sugar is an addictive product and as with all addictive products, there are plenty of unscrupulous and greedy people lining up to make big dollars out of Human weaknesses. Keep up the good work!
rory robertson
rory robertson is a Friend of The Conversation.
former fattie
Hi Paul,
I'm not saying anything like that. I'm simply saying that the trouble with an undeclared conflict of interest - in this case, Australia's highest-profile academic defenders of added fructose (50% of added sugar) as harmless also have a large business interest in super-low-GI=19 fructose continuing to be perceived by the general public as harmless - is that it is hard for outsiders to know where the line is drawn between the interests of science and the interests of the scientists' business…
Read morePaul Wittwer
Orchardist
Rory, you leave me wondering why you are so quick to deny ownership of a statement which wasn't yours to begin with. It seems pretty clear to me that you indeed did not say anything like it. However, my conclusion seems inescapable about the authors of the report you have been trying to refute so strongly. What in particular do you not agree with and why?
rory robertson
rory robertson is a Friend of The Conversation.
former fattie
Paul, I'm grateful for your supportive public comment on my analysis. Thanks heaps. I jumped back a bit from your second sentence because I know nothing of the authors' motivations. My well-documented claim simply is that the authors of the high-profile "Australia Paradox" paper have made serious errors in fact, culminating in an obvious and somewhat-dangerous false conclusion.
Moreover, I think the authors' treatment of my critique was unreasonable and rather unscholarly; that was documented…
Read moreEliza B
logged in via email @optusnet.com.au
I have been so amazed at how condesending Doctors can be on certain health issues, that I have walked out on a number of them. One day I made it my policy - "you might be a doctor but I am not an idiot and you don't need to treat me like one because you have a list of my 'problems' in front of you" - out the door I go. It feels good and empowering!
Stuart Burns
Researcher, Broadcaster, Horticulturist
I was recently diagnosed with high blood glucose, commonly referred to as "Type 2 diabetes", which in medical terms means high blood glucose. Yes, the diagnosis is a description of the symptom, and nothing else.
I was put on a course of medication to lower my blood glucose, and sent to a dietician, who advised me about what I should eat, and how much exercise I need to do to stay healthy, and that being overweight is a risk factor for Type 2 Diabetes, and especially weight around the abdomen…
Read moreMonika Merkes
Honorary Associate, Australian Institute for Primary Care & Ageing at La Trobe University
"They have nothing else to offer, basically"
Read moreStuart, similar to you, I was of normal weight, physically very active, and had been a vegetarian for more than 25 years when I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. The GP suggested monitoring and going on medication eventually. I looked for another GP and found someone who practices integrative medicine. She gave me a long lecture on diet: the major changes for me were avoiding dairy products and gluten, eating less fruit (I'd easily eat 7 or 8 pieces of…
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
Monika,
Are you inferring that your anecdotal experience trumps the body of literature published by the 'experts' that you seemingly deride?
I'm presuming that you now believe that your own published work is similarly subsumed by other people's anecdotes.
Monika Merkes
Honorary Associate, Australian Institute for Primary Care & Ageing at La Trobe University
Hi Seamus, not at all ... most evidence starts with anecdotal evidence, and who knows, in a few years there might be a systematic review concluding that it's best to stay away from gluten and dairy if your blood glucose levels are a bit high. My GP might just be ahead of her time :-)
Read moreI had done everything the experts recommended and didn't want to end up on medication like my father. I'm open to unconventional advice if it does not appear to be harmful or outrageously expensive. Initially I didn…
Sue Ieraci
Public hospital clinician
Stuart Burns - it is ironic that so many GPs are criticised for ignoring diet and preventative measures and resorting to pharmaceuticals for everything.
In your case your GP has found evidence of an early abnormality that could lead to a chronic disease, and sought to modifty the known risk factors (you can't modify genetics, though).
Isn't it best that they test for early indicators and seek to modify them before a potentially severe chronic disease is established? Don't we want GPs to practise preventative medicine?
I appreciate what you say about your weight - but the vast majority of people with TYpe 2 diabetes do carry excess weight.
What do you suggest the GP shoudl ahve done?
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
Hi Monika,
my reason for quotation marks around the word experts was your use of quotation marks around the word experts in your post, see excerpt:
' "Experts" actually recommend low-fat dairy products for people with diabetes, for example here: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/dairy.html
As a researcher you'd be first to see that your anecdote includes a lot of variables, which component of your diet or lifestyle is the one which reduced your cholesterol, lost your…
Read moreMonika Merkes
Honorary Associate, Australian Institute for Primary Care & Ageing at La Trobe University
Seamus, sorry for being unclear - I was referring to *my* use of quotation marks, not yours.
I agree in principle about following expert advice, but the experts don't always agree and there are shortcomings in the way evidence is produced. Ben Goldacre, a British GP, outlines some of these in his new book Bad Pharma http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/sep/21/drugs-industry-scandal-ben-goldacre
Stuart Burns
Researcher, Broadcaster, Horticulturist
The majority may well carry excess weight, but clearly I don't, so what's the point in the lecture?
I am quite happy to be prescribed pharmaceuticals if they work, and I don't think my GP has done anything wrong, I think he has been provided with limited tools which may work for the majority, but when the patient does not fit the middle of the bell curve in any given criteria, it should be an immediate sign that it's not a typical case, and that standard responses are probably going to be inadequate.
There's nothing wrong with educating people, but finding out what they already know and how they already behave should come first.
Nanette Kerrison
solicitor
The underlying assumption often seems to be that being overweight is a "choice", thus overweight people are "wrong". It's really not helpful. A person's weight (whatever it is) is always part of the complex constellation of that person's personality and life. Maybe having a GP blurt something at a patient as part of a 7 minute consultation might "work" in a rare case ("I'm fat? really? I had no idea. Better rush off and get thin then.") but it doesn't seem likely.
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
Don't you love it when friends tell you confidentially that you're putting on a bit of weight? Oh that's why my skirt is tight, fancy that!
Thank you for your comment, Nanette.
Nanette Kerrison
solicitor
I always get a bit muttery at those news items about the Obesity Epidemic (which I agree is very real and very serious) which conclude with grandiose statements about what overweight people should do.
Having said that, there was an interesting recent bit of research (?in the US or here? Can't rmember now) which found a direct correlation between the concentration of fast food restaurants per square kilometre and obesity rates in the same area.
Really GPs should be trained to ask their patients…
Read moreAnn Bull
Epidemiologist
Hi Penny, I know how you feel - I manage to stay at a "reasonable" weight through a lap band, lots of exercise and sometimes using those horrible highly processed meal replacements. I have broken both my legs including my knee, and need to keep my weight down for many reasons. I have been lucky enough recently to have found a couple of doctors who say "It's not your fault" - i.e. that I eat less than 1200 calories a day and have done for many years and still remain overweight; that to lose weight I need to eat about 6-700 calories plus an hours exercise a day. One doctor who is an obestity expert has told me that if it's any consolation (it isn't) then my extremely efficient metabolism is much healthier than those people who can eat whatever they want and remain thin. I just wish more people (including those so called fitness experts in the media) would realise how hard it is for many of us to keep our weight down and that many of us in fact eat better and exercise more than most.
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
Thank you, Ann.
How to manage that overwhelming compulsion to eat just a bit more or explain to anyone who's never experienced it, that's so hard for me. It always sounds like an excuse. I wish you well with your health.
Lynette Bronca
logged in via Facebook
Hi Penny, you have hit the nail very squarely on the head with this one, I too had a doctors visit, just for a referral mind you, and he preceded to tell me I needed to loose weight..... Oh derrr, didn't know that at all!!!! I walked out of his surgery with a perscription for weight loss pills, duromine think it was, never got it filled.... after checking with Dr google realised far too many side affects for me. On my next visit to MY Dr, mentioned to her how my weight had slowly increased over…
Read morePenny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
Thank you, Lynette and congratulations for finding an answer that fits for you.
Paul Wittwer
Orchardist
Building muscle is the key to losing fat. Weightlifting is the best way to build muscle. Many aerobic exercises, while very good for you, can actually reduce muscle mass. Greater muscle mass means faster metabolic rate which means more calories burned even when resting.
It's not about losing weight, it's about losing fat. Weightlifting also has benefits for bone density and joint strength in preventing injuries.
Jodie Lia
Ecologist
I think that this is the first mention of exercise in this article. I have found it strange that although there are various mentions of diet, exercise doesn't seem to feature. It's fantastic to have a healthy range of foods in your diet, but it still comes down to energy in vs. energy out.
Ann Bull
Epidemiologist
Jodie, if you look at the twin studies the evidence comes around in favour of about 70% is diet and 30% influence of exercise - also the energy in energy out thing has always driven me mad - how can my body defy the laws of physics? - the answer has to be that the equation is different for everyone - most people who do my level of exercise can eat at least 2400 calories a day and maintain their weight - I can only eat half that much.
Sue Ieraci
Public hospital clinician
Ann Bull - you have hit the nail on the head.
There is no universal amount of "calories in" that works for everyone. IN particular, our bodies change over time.
It's too simple to say "I eat good stuff" if the amount is too much for your particular metabolism, or for your energy expenditure.
We need to get the moralising out of this debate - on both sides, and look at strategies that improve health.
There is no doubt that carrying excess weight damages weight-bearing joints, as the author of this article describes. I don't condone the provider making this person feel belittled, but preventative medicine for osteoarthritis of the knee and hip includes weight loss. Physiotherapy will help with pain relief and flexibility but cannot reverse the degenerative process.
Jodie Lia
Ecologist
I apologise for the generalisation I just think that weight issues are far to focused on diet alone.
I am well aware that all our bodies have unique metabolisms, the RDI of calories/kJ is generalised for the population and that there are other factors that can contribute to a persons body weight/health.
But the "energy in = energy out" equation does work for everyone because everyone burns a different amount of energy for the same exercise. My 1km run is not going to burn the same amount of energy as your 1km run.
Michael Duff
Public Servant
That's clearly a cop out. Just because someone can't sit on the other side of a desk and give you an exact number doesn't mean you don't have an energy requirement number.
While there is no single number for an individual, if you are eating (for example) an average of 2400kCal/day and yet your weight is rising - you are in calorie surplus.
Weight issues are diet issues. Nobody loses weight (fat) without fixing their diet first and there are dozens of studies to back that up (article with citations here: http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/logic-does-not-apply-iv-exercise-for-weight-loss/).
Your weight doesn't care what you eat, it cares about how many calories you input more than it takes you to live.
Jodie Lia
Ecologist
Sorry - what part of my comment is a cop out? I generally agree with what you're saying apart from not really understanding what your first paragraph are about.
"Nobody loses weight (fat) without fixing their diet first" - I'm not confident that you can make that assumption.
Fitness and a heathly diet absolutely go hand in hand. The bonus is, by living a fit and healthy lifestyle, weight shouldn't really be an issue.
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
Your weight may not care what you eat but your health does. There are thin people out there with dreadful diets who are both unfit and unhealthy. Being thin is not an indicator of wellness.
Michael Duff
Public Servant
I never said being thin was an indicator of wellness.
You can have all kinds of wellness issues and be thin but you can't lose weight if you are not in a calorie deficit.
The entire article was about someone being pissy because a doctor confrontingly told them that their health would improve by losing weight.
@Jodie - "But the "energy in = energy out" equation does work for everyone because everyone burns a different amount of energy for the same exercise. My 1km run is not going to burn…
Read moreMichael Duff
Public Servant
The article I linked to quoting dozens of studies showing that exercise in the short to medium term (whether in a calorie deficit or not) does not, to any measurable extent, increase weight loss.
What I would say (again from my experience) is that someone who is determined enough to stick to a rigorour fitness (whatever that means) regime, is much more likely to have the determination required to make the longer term dietary changes.
Michaela Patel
Primary & Secondary Teacher
Good article - thanks! You obviously know lots about nutrition, diet and are most likely very healthy despite dodgy knees!
Making judgements about people is always fraught with danger, but what am I supposed to think about overweight families I see in the supermarkets, loading up their trollies with the most amazing amounts of processed junk? Or the pudgy children who come to school with a typical lunch-box: small packet of high-sugar fruit bites, small packet of BBQ shapes, tub of low-fat, high…
Read morePenny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
"Tactful" is a great word! And how can we expect people to make the changes that are good for families and children when our environment, advertising, shops and so on, surround us with convenience and not-so-healthy 'health' foods (sugar and fat filled cereal products that are marketed as good for growing bodies, for example). Parents struggle with managing time, work and family routines so, naturally, the convenience of pre-packaged packed lunches are a welcome purchase. Not understanding the complexities of their choices and talking at people rather than engaging people will hinder rather than help.
'Nude food' lunches sound like a great start: getting the parents on-side will be the challenge, and will require tact and engagement. I wish you all the best.
rory robertson
rory robertson is a Friend of The Conversation.
former fattie
NIce post Michaela. I'm on board with your "nude food" approach. The critical diet/nutrition debate these days is the extent to which refined carbohydrates - and especially sugary products - are driving obesity and diabetes. If Gary Taubes, Wolfgang Lutz and the growing army of advocates of “low carb” diets are right, then Australian diabetics and pre-diabetics are getting very unhelpful advice from Diabetes Australia, which encourages a very strong focus on carbohydrates – “at every meal” – and especially processed carbohydrates: http://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/Documents/NDSS/Resources/Diabetes_Information_Sheets/GLYCEMIC-INDEX-2010.pdf ; http://www.australiandiabetescouncil.com/AustralianDiabetesCounil/media/PDFs/Diabetes_Making_Healthy_Food_Choices.pdf
Chris Booker
Research scientist
Great article. I research type 2 diabetes and obesity. This whole demonisation of people who are obese is enormous problem. It's going to take a lot to turn this around, but articles like this can only help.
If you have access to the International Journal of Obesity there's actually an article out today you'd find interesting:
Read moreInternational Journal of Obesity (2012) 36, 1332–1333; doi:10.1038/ijo.2012.100
When commonsense does not make sense
N V Dhurandhar
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal…
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
Thanks, Chris. There appears to be a whole lot of really interesting articles in that issue: I will make sure to request access to them all. And I'll work through your other references, too. Thank you.
I don't have high cholesterol or high blood pressure, but that is another assumption often made about the overweight.
Chris Booker
Research scientist
Sounds like you fit into the 'metabolically healthy obese' phenotype which is raised in the literature every now and then.
PS. the articles on coconut oil, saturated fats aren't necessarily that interesting, just thought I should back up what I was saying!
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
Whilst the GP described in this article may have made a false assumption in respect of the author, this raises a couple more questions:
1. Is the author inferring that as this GP made incorrect assumptions, all GPs and healthcare workers (apart from her physio) make similar incorrect assumptions?,
2. Is the author contending that her weight (or Fat/lean mass ratio) is not a factor in the injury to her knee? If it is a factor did the GP give correct advice (in that decreasing weight will reduce forces through the knee joint and potentially contribute to healing or lowered re-injury)?,
3. Has the author's lifestyle contributed to her injury and does it continue to contribute? For example, is her diet objectively a healthy diet or is this just the author's impression of a healthy diet. Would a dietician conclude this to be so? What about the author's level of activity? Was this questioned by the GP and physio and if so what advice, palatable or otherwise, was dispensed?
Alan Merritt
logged in via Twitter
Thanks for this article Penny.
I read that the main thing here is the assumptions. It could have been about anything; judgements are quickly made based on people's appearance or little pieces of information without an understanding of context. I understand that GPs work very hard and are under a lot of pressure from a variety of sources but it is so important to talk to your patient and recognise that each presentation is a unique person in a unique situation. Assumptions can be dangerous on a number of levels.
I fear that many GPs are like this (but acknowledge that many are not) and worry that there is an evolving primary health care system that has the general practitioner at the centre, making assumptions, and not the people that have the health need.
Penny Wilson
PhD Researcher at Australian National University
I think that GPs have to have an extraordinary range of knowledge and skills to be able to do their jobs well and this article should not be seen as an attack on the medical profession. But, yes, assumptions are the target of this story. The workplace assuming the fat person won't be able to do their job effectively, the teacher assuming the fat child is less bright because of their size, the gym attendant assuming the new overweight member is too fat to use the gym equipment or join a fitness class, these assumptions are a form of discrimination.