Today’s proposal by the Grattan Institute for higher education students to pay more will be viewed by many as unfair and unreasonable, says Australian National University Professor Bruce Chapman.
“No one in the world believes that you can put an accurate figure on the externalities from higher education,” Professor Chapman, who was the architect of the Higher Education Contribution Scheme, said today.
The Grattan Institute report, entitled “Graduate Winners”, argues it’s not clear what benefit the public gets from what will by the middle of this decade amount to $7 billion in higher education subsidies.
It also argues that higher education subsidies should only be paid when they lead to new additional public benefits.
Andrew Norton, director of higher education with the Grattan Institute, and author of the report, said the finding that some of the non-financial benefits of higher education aren’t big will be controversial for some people.
“Based on research in other countries, it’s generally assumed they are large,” Mr Norton said.
But Professor Chapman, who is director of Policy Impact with ANU’s Crawford School of Economics and Government, said trying to quantify the benefits of higher education was one of the most difficult areas of empirical education economics.
“There are many many things we just don’t measure,” Professor Chapman said.
“I think actually the most important things we don’t measure, and no one has even attempted to put a figure on it, are the consequences for technical change, the consequences for productivity growth, all of which can’t be captured by the graduate, and the consequences for economic growth, the consequences for the productivity of other people they work with because they’re graduates.
“We kind of know those things exist but we can’t measure them.”
Professor Chapman, together with PhD student Kiatanantha Lounkaew, completed a report on the value of externalities for Australian higher education as part of the Federal Government’s Higher Education Base Funding Review that was kicked off in 2010. The report can be viewed here.
Belinda Robinson, chief executive of Universities Australia, said in a statement that while there is logic in attempting to identify both the public and private benefits of higher education, the fundamental flaw in the Grattan Institute’s proposal is the application of a very narrow and theoretical definition of public benefit.
“What this report fails to acknowledge is the magnitude of the national return on public investment in universities, including increased productivity, a highly-skilled and educated workforce, the creation of industries and technology needed for long-term economic diversification and the human capacity for making much needed medical and scientific discoveries.
“All of these things are critical to Australia maintaining a strong economy and the maintenance of our future well-being,” Ms Robinson said.
Professor Chapman said he agreed with the argument that there would be little impact on decisions to undertake higher education as a result of an increase in fees, but that the politics of increasing fees would be “huge”, as was evidenced in the UK when the government removed fee capping for domestic students.
Mr Norton said there were far more pressing social needs in disability than in higher education.
“No one will really suffer if they have to keep paying their HECS-HELP debt for a few more years,” he said.
He added that universities in Australia had never had to sell the idea of higher education, but that the market was changing.
Mr Norton said graduates do well out of higher education – attaining jobs with above-average pay and status.
“Given these large benefits, and with the HELP student loan scheme in place, most students would take their courses regardless of the size of the subsidy.”
“Tuition subsidies therefore merely redistribute income to students and graduates. The general public – particularly those who do not go to university – are worse off.”
Daryl Adair
Associate Professor of Sport Management at University of Technology, Sydney
My understanding is that Australian universities typically take a financial loss per undergraduate student in the sense that the money they are provided to cover a place does not reflect the cost of delivering that education. There are people with expertise in this area who can comment with more precision than me. I'm not suggesting that HECS fees ought to be raised by necessity as a consequence, but it would appear that the cost to universities of providing education is a very important aspect of a wider debate about economics (and access) in tertiary learning.
Adrian Bertolini
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It depends Daryl on what you include in the cost of providing education to undergraduates. My experience is that most of the equipment departments have is not there for the benefit of the undergrads. Universities are businesses. I have found in my time working in universities that, for the most part, they are not there to educate undergraduates. They are there to publish and to bring money into the university. How do we know this is accurate? Look at how an academic can move up the professional levels ... not by teaching.
Daryl Adair
Associate Professor of Sport Management at University of Technology, Sydney
Adrian, you're spot on about promotion on the basis of excellence in publication (and I would add administration) rather than teaching, the latter of which appears to be the poor relation in terms career advancement. Perhaps that imbalance would be different if universities were actually "making money" from teaching undergraduates? As I said previously, I'm not expert in terms of university finances, but everything I have heard from colleagues around the country would suggest that undergraduate teaching costs more to deliver than what is received by way of revenue. As you rightly point out, teaching facilities and resources can be used for other purposes, such as postgraduate education. Again I'm unsure how universities gauge cost-income rations - whether at the level of UG coursework, PG coursework, or higher degree by research. We probably need someone like Gavin Moodie to explain the intricacies of the economics of higher education at the point of delivery.
Adrian Bertolini
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Wait a sec ... Universities DO make money from students. You cannot tell me that universities, with extraordinary ratios of students to "teachers", do not have a model for making money!
Here is a US article about the obfuscation of university accounting http://www.changemag.org/Archives/Back%20Issues/2011/March-April%202011/better-data-full.html
Aus Staffing trends http://www.go8.edu.au/__documents/go8-policy-analysis/2011/go8backgrounder25_staffingtrends-1.pdf
Breakdown of cost of students vs revenue from students http://www.deewr.gov.au/HigherEducation/Documents/Cost_and_Revenue_Factors.pdf
Daryl Adair
Associate Professor of Sport Management at University of Technology, Sydney
Adrian, I know they make money from PG (full fee-paying) students, however my understanding is that what they receive from the Commonwealth to teach UG students is considerably less than if these people were, as with PG students, paying full fees. And that the difference represents, in many cases, an actual loss. Again, my comments are based solely on what I've heard from a handful of colleagues at universities around the country - I'm not claiming any experience or authority in this area at all…
Read moreTimothy Curtin
Economic adviser
Andrew Norton is quoted as saying "Tuition subsidies therefore merely redistribute income to students and graduates. The general public – particularly those who do not go to university – are worse off.”
He does I am sure know better than that total rubbish. The most cursory glance at ATO and ABS statistics on income distribution in Australia shows that graduates as a group by virtue of earning more than most non-graduates pay more taxes of all kinds than the latter. For example, the bottom 10% of income recipients in 2003-04 contributed just 0.6% to total net personal income tax receipts of $95.5 billion, while the top 10% (earnings more than $69,000 p.a.) where one finds many graduates like Chapman and Norton contributed 43%, far more than was spent on universities in that year.
Ronson Dalby
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I'm not a university graduate but I do have a daughter currently in her first year at an Australian university living on campus.
Perhaps costs could be kept down for both the universities, students and paying parents if the courses were more compressed.
My daughter completed the first semester and then had a three month break before second semester which starts next month. The winter courses were the same ones she had completed in semester one. This whole time I've been paying the very expensive accommodation fees (I'm very unimpressed with the private company that runs this, but that's another story).
From my layman's perspective, I wonder why uni courses couldn't be done in 18 months rather than 3 years.