Social psychology addresses many of the important questions that concern us as human beings. It’s also the subject of newspaper editorials on most days: why is there conflict between groups? How can it be reduced? Why do we trust some people and not others? What makes us angry? What are the consequences for our judgement and decision making?
A century of experimental research has applied itself to the task of addressing these and other fascinating questions. Yet this research is not routinely discussed publicly in any depth, and few people are aware it exists.
But there is one significant exception to this rule: work that addresses the question of why decent people sometimes commit appalling acts. This is a question that needs to be asked with alarming regularity — whether we are discussing the behaviour of bureaucrats in the Holocaust or torture at Abu Ghraib, corruption in Enron or phone-hacking at News International.
In all of these examples, academics and other commentators have one important body of social psychological research that they can (and do) turn to in order to make sense of the abuses they observe. Informed by Hannah Arendt’s analysis of the 1961 trial of Adolf Eichmann, this is generally referred to as the banality of evil thesis. It suggests humans have a natural tendency to conform to the rules and roles that make up group life and to the authorities that represent and enforce them.

If there is only one idea you’ve learnt from social psychology, this is probably it.
And if you know the details of any social psychological studies, then these probably relate to the two programs of research that are usually taken to support the banality of evil thesis: Stanley Milgram’s Yale-based research on Obedience to Authority and Philip Zimbardo’s Stanford Prison Experiment.
In the former, members of the general public were shown to be willing to administer apparently lethal electrical shocks to a stranger because they were asked to by an experimenter.
In the latter, college students were assigned to roles as prisoners and guards in a mock prison but the study had to be terminated after six days on account of the damage done to prisoners by increasingly cruel guards. As Zimbardo and colleagues put it, the lesson of these studies is that such abuse is a “natural consequence” of humans’ propensity to conform — even when that conformity has horrific consequences.
As scientific stories go, this is easy and dramatic to recount, and it certainly improves upon the suggestion that abuse is only ever a manifestation of the toxic personalities of wrong-doers. Indeed, for thirty years it was the best analysis on offer.
Over the course of the last decade, though, the banality of evil thesis has been subjected to increasing challenge — first from historians looking closely at the life and crimes of Nazis such as Eichmann and then from social psychologists like ourselves looking ever more closely at the specifics of the work of Milgram and Zimbardo.
Revisiting the classic experiments
In our case, a particular stimulus for our efforts was work we did together on the 2001 BBC Prison Study. The goal was to revisit the issues raised by Zimbardo’s work in a study that had a similar structure but where we had no formal role and experimental interventions were designed to test pre-specified theoretical principles.
We made the former change because we were concerned Zimbardo’s own analysis was clouded by the fact he took on the role of prison superintendent in his own study. Telling his guards, “You can create in the prisoners … a sense of fear to some degree, you can create a notion of arbitrariness. … What all this leads to is a sense of powerlessness,” seems to conflict with his claims that the ensuing violence was an instinctive expression of participants’ conformity to pre-learned societal scripts.

For us, Zimbardo’s leadership was a big part of the analytic story (as it is in all cases of tyranny), and we were struck not by the passive conformity of his guards but by their apparent enthusiasm for their task. We came to understand the guards were not merely conforming but instead displaying active followership. Furthermore, this followership appeared to be predicated upon identification with Zimbardo’s scientific enterprise.
Supporting this analysis, the guards in our study did not resort spontaneously to violence. Towards the end of the study there was, however, a move to introduce a more brutal regime. Critically, though, this only emerged once a subgroup of participants — under the influence of a charismatic leader — had come to believe that this was the best solution to problems the prison system was facing.
Tyranny, then, was not something participants slipped carelessly into. It was the result of conviction and hard work.
Spurred on by other data that support this argument, our most recent work has sought to see whether behaviour in Milgram’s paradigm could be subject to the same reanalysis.
The short answer is it can – and we outline the details in an article published today in the open-access journal PLoS Biology. We discuss evidence that the destructive behaviour of Milgram’s participants can be predicted by the degree to which they identified with his scientific goals. Moreover, the behaviour seems to have reflected a willingness to work towards goals that sprang from genuine enthusiasm for science and for Yale — enthusiasms that Milgram went to some length to cultivate.

The simple message of our research is that tyranny arises not from zombie-like conformity but from the twin processes of motivated leadership and engaged followership. What’s more, people proceed down the path to tyranny not because they are ignorant of the harm they are doing, but because they know full well what they are doing and believe it to be justified by ends that they perceive to be noble.
In these terms, what we need to be afraid of is not a nature that turns us into mindless automatons. Instead, it’s our acceptance of a particular model of “us” and “them” that commits us to the unthinkable, together with leadership that mobilises us to act on that commitment.
At the very least, 50 years on from Milgram’s research, it’s time to question the one thing we all thought we knew about social psychology.
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Justin Coulson
University of Wollongong - Psychology
Sean, in both of the experiments participants were aware that they were participating in studies. In the Milgram study the people 'giving' the shocks were ignorant to the fact that they were being observed though.
It's also worth noting that the Milgram experiment has been carried out/replicated in numerous settings under a variety of differing circumstances. This includes studies conducted in Australia where Australian participants were just as "very stupid" as our American counterparts.
Your comment reinforces the 'us' and 'them' biases that Alex and Stephen highlighted and shows just how pervasive our ingroup/outgroup attitudes can be.
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Alex, Stephen, thanks for this article. Terrific insight and one that I'll share when I teach my first year psychology classes from now on.
David Collett
IT Application Developer at Web Generation
Great article. An extremely interesting area of research. Thanks!
You were correct in guessing the three things I knew about social psychology were:
The Banality of Evil idea
The Stanford Prison Experiment
The Obedience to Authority Experiment.
However, now thanks to the article, I realise that most of the things I thought I knew about social psychology are false. ;)
James Jenkin
EFL Teacher Trainer
I agree, it's a great article.
But of all the images to represent evil behaviour - Abu Ghraib?
David Collett
IT Application Developer at Web Generation
@ James
The link below describes fairly well my understanding of what occurred at Abu Ghraib and why it occurred:
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=351
(tldr: The government ordered torture at Abu Ghraib resulted in the evil actions by soldiers at Abu Ghraib.)
As such, I'm thinking Abu Ghraib illustrates the idea that people carry out evil because they are following the directions of a leader really well.
What's your thinking against it?
Chris Booker
Research scientist
@James Jenkin - I would class Abu Graib as a classic example of these processes at work, and is also a prison environment making it more directly comparable to the research conducted in these studies. Can't see why you would object to it's mention.
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
Dr Coulson,
I am certainly not disputing that the experiment has been replicated many times, my point is the fact that it has been replicated so many times demonstrates what a weak discipline social science is.
Think about, it would be very easy to design a version of the Milgram experiment that participants would refuse - yet no such experiment has ever been published. Why? Because there is no market for it, there is no desire for such findings. Hence social science is not a robust discipline since at its core is a culture of cosy complacent consensus.
Ian Donald Lowe
Seeker of Truth
The ends never justify the means, never!
Read moreIf the process is evil, the outcome is evil, it doesn't matter what you think you might achieve, it will be evil and you will have stained your soul with evil acts in the process. Yes, evil requires motivated leadership (true evil, usually hidden) and engaged followers (making wicked choices from limited options) but it also requires a certain level of complacency amongst the general population.
The sheeple do not wish to be disturbed by the details of…
Rajan Venkataraman
Citizen
Prof Haslam and Prof Reicher
Thanks for the great article and I look forward to reading your PLoS Biology article.
Watching footage that recently became available of the tasering of Roberto Curti in Sydney (see references to 'thuggish' and 'Lord of the Flies' behaviour in the coroner's report at: http://www.coroners.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/agdbasev7wr/_assets/coroners/m401601l4/curti%20decision%2014%20nov%202012.pdf) and of a 14 year old aboriginal boy in northern NSW (see: http://www.abc.net.au/news…
Read moreDianna Arthur
Dianna Arthur is a Friend of The Conversation.
Environmentalist
@ Rajan Venkataraman
All excellent points in your post. As long as there is something to be gained by dividing and setting people against themselves, we will continue to see/endure acts of harm to others.
The blame game has become so much a part of our culture that many of us fail to see it when we are a part of it ourselves.
Pera Lozac
Heat management assistant
A logical approach to this topic would be a definition of evil. Without this definition one can easily be trapped in murky waters of religious ethics. One of the definitions could be: acting towards other living beings in ways that one would not like to experience himself. If we stick to this definition then every human being is evil. However, at the same time everyone acts from his own perspective and universe of right and wrong - in other words everyone is trying to be the best person he is capable…
Read moreChris Booker
Research scientist
I remember seeing a reenactment of Stanley Milgram's experiment in Derren Brown's 'The Heist' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heist_%28Derren_Brown_special%29#Milgram_Experiment)
What was really shocking was just how many of the participants were willing to go through with it, and some of the participants had even heard of the previous experiment yet still continued to give quite high 'shocks' before pulling out and stating they had heard of the experiment before. While the Milgram experiment had previously seemed to me an important, but historical, piece of research, the Derren Brown reenactment shocked me to see that in this day and age, in a so-called 'liberal democratic society' (being conducted in the UK) there's people out there that would do this, and still seem to be incapable of thinking for themselves!
Gillian Cohen
Research Associate, School of Public Health, The Univerity of Sydney
Thank you for the article and your essay in PLOS. It's interesting to read that these much quoted studies are not reliable, and could be interpreted differently. In PLOS you say "it ignores the evidence that those who do heed authority in doing evil do so knowingly not blindly, actively not passively, creatively not automatically."
It's even more scary (but I can't say surprising) that evil may be readily engaged in deliberately to do what a perpetrator believes is a greater good. This was just…
Read moreChris Richardson
Chris Richardson is a Friend of The Conversation.
Doctor
As far as I know Gillian, utilitarianism is not "the ends justifies the means" and I think when a lot of things are "justified" by utilitarianism, an impoverished view of utilitarianism is invoked. I think it's wrong to suggest that utilitarianism means that I can do whatever I want because I believe it to be "for the greater good". Neither Breivik nor the people murdering abortion doctors, are utilitarianists, in my opinion. Utilitiarianism requires a far more considered, even evidence-based, approach to what constitutes the greater good.
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
Can I just place on record here that Americans are extremely intelligent and their acting talents are of the highest order.
Can I also make clear that social sciences are a very rigorous discipline and abides by the highest standards. Also can I stress the high regard I have for the Stanley Milligram experiment and his experimental standards and I would like to repudiate any suggestion that his methodology would be laughed out of any serious academic discipline.
I would further like to denounce any suggestion that he fudged his results in order to meet the prevailing zeitgeist and that the inability of the social sciences to come to terms with this in no way, in my sincere opinion, suggests that funding such academics is wasting research money that could be otherwise spent on serious and useful inquiries.
Thank you for your kind attention.
Gillian Cohen
Research Associate, School of Public Health, The Univerity of Sydney
I'm beginning to think you're a troll......
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
I read this on another blog recently - worth reading (minus the expetives). Probably doesn't spread much light on the motives of Milgram, but it does about social science in general.
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Well, I don’t know much about “hard sciences”, but I suspect there is a lot of fraud going on in the social science disciplines. Strong (and interesting) hypothesis; Cute design; Strong results; And said results are supported by 3 different experiments conducted by the authors (probably at the request of reviewers…
Read moreAaron Troy Small
Student
@Gillian Cohen, What part of the locked facebook account, with a single friend, a single like, no pictures and nothing else, no profile updates, no timeline history, would possibly make you think such a thing? Perhaps the "Science Denier" part of the profile, or the deliberately obfuscatory and/or inflammatory posts, specialising in personal attacks and casting aspersions upon the veracity of the research if he disagrees with the findings? You are a terribly cynical person Ms Cohen, I mean really
Gillian Cohen
Research Associate, School of Public Health, The Univerity of Sydney
yesterday was my first day in "the Conversation"....
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
Mr Small,
I am running away from a history of over-zealous policing of rubbish bin usage.
jim morris
logged in via email @yahoo.com
"it’s our acceptance of a particular model of “us” and “them” that commits us to the unthinkable, together with leadership that mobilises us to act on that commitment." Being an australian born heterosexual man I can certainly attest to the consequences of being one of the 'them' in a society mobilised by an ideologically driven feminist leadership ruthlessly exploiting every other 'opressed group' to deprivilige me on the erroneous grounds that I have somehow exploited them in the past.
Murray Webster
Forestry-Ecology Consultant/Contractor
Yes interesting article and seems more real to me than the seminal studies that were referred to.
The 'us' and 'them' polarisation appears to happen just about everywhere. E.g climate change, logging native forest, meat eating versus vegetarianism, gender, holden vs ford.... And if you don't take a side you will probably be targeted by both (?)
Tim Scanlon
Debunker
Great article!
I find it interesting that the model described for evil is also the model that is used in idealism, cults, modern politics and polarising media personalities.
Alice Kelly
sole parent
Hi Alex and Stephen,
thank-you for your timely discussion. I believe all Australians are responsible for the on-going demonising, and cruelty towards asylum seekers. "We will decide who comes to this country", "It", "illegals", "border control", there's so many derogatory phrases, terms, and lies which have been thrown at these people for the last 15 or so years, that australians seem immune to the effects of punishment on "them", and the style of their incarceration. I'm not interested in blaming any one, or both "parties", but how does a civilised country dig itself out of a hole like this and accept responsibility and recognition for the psychological damage we are inflicting on these people.
Aaron Troy Small
Student
I'm reminded of a poem about Adolf Eichmann by Leonard Cohen (http://www.lancs.ac.uk/fass/projects/stylistics/topic6a/8adolph.htm). The face(s) of evil can be depressingly everyday and otherwise normal.
Roy Niles
logged in via Facebook
Nice article, but it should be understood that people who know they're part of an experiment know also that they are playing in a game with others that have likely also consented to the play. So that in many ways the participants are acting, with no real world lasting consequences in the offing for their acts.
There is a suspension of disbelief involved in these "plays" which applies as much to the actors as to their presumptive audiences.
And there is of course no such thing as a natural force of evil, the existence of which virtually all our religions depend on. There are however forces of trust and distrust in all biological systems which will appear to amount to the same thing.
Arthur James Egleton Robey
Industrial Electrician
I have a "Just so" explanation for the roots of our propensity to view others as outsiders.
At critical moments in our evolution us hominids had a predilection for cannibalism. We had to develop a highly acute cognition of whether strangers were for eating or for rooting.
The more we identified with the stranger (the more they looked like us) the better the outcome.
This Ape has now become hyper-sensitive to differences, and needs major intervention.
I recommend more research on how propensities are stored in the zygote, with the aim of creating a more contented organism.
Peter Gerard
Retired medical practitioner
Human beings are born with a nature basically disposed to aggression. In most instances we control our aggressive and sadistic impulses with our reason but our thin veneer of civility is easily cracked as the wars of the 20th century and recent events around the world and in our own country illustrate.
We are not 'blank slates' who become capable of evil acts simply by the manipulation of strong willed wayward people. Most of us, as we mature internalise principles of acceptable social behaviour and with the use of our reason are, most of the time, good citizens. Under certain circumstances though our innate tendency to aggression is unmasked and history demonstrates that we are quite willing to commit all forms of brutality, not only to fellow humans but non-human animals as well, for less than convincing reasons or provocation.
Susan Kirwan
Paralegal
Hi Peter,
I disagree that human beings are born with a nature disposed to aggression. In my opinion, human beings are born with the innate sense of survival, as their first response to this is searching for their first feed from their mother.
In my view, aggression would be an acquired response from the environment they directly live in and the society around them.
Anne Powles
Retired Psychologist
As a retired psychologist I am very supportive of the notion that old studies and viewpoints should be revisited constantly. The more psychology evolves the better it can inform. But I am worried about the lack of supportive statistics (which are supplied perhaps in journals hard to access) but not available to us the public. We need to know before we can put any value on what we read. For example 15 people in a sample size is not many. I for one was thrilled when computer programs made it possible for us to feed in our figures and get the results without the pain of calculation, but to assess the worth of any study we need basics like sample sizes and margins of error at the least and possibly a bit more of the boring details about the methods used.
On this particular topic, evil, and also as a great example of how to explain research methods in interesting lay terms, I highly recommend Paul Zac's book "The Moral Molecule".
Roy Niles
logged in via Facebook
So how does Paul Zac imagine that we acquired the oxytocin moral molecule? Stochastic selection processes perhaps? Or is it possible that we take more advantage of accidents than they take advantage of us?
Alvin Stone
logged in via Facebook
A great piece but after reading it I can't help thinking about the way our government, with the tacit support of the electorate, are treating asylum seekers.
Peter Gerard
Retired medical practitioner
Susan Kirwan,
Aggressive behaviour is evident in the competitive play of early childhood. Most male sporting events are examples of rampant aggression; if it weren't for the rules of the game and referees these matches would end in a 'free for all'. The biological factor underlying this aggression is testosterone. It is this fact that also accounts for the relative dullness of many female sporting events.
Aggression is necessary for survival, as is evident in the natural world, and this basic instinct is part of our evolutionary inheritance as are many other emotional responses, such as caring for our young.
John Rawls believed that " Society should be seen as a co-operative venture for mutual advantage between reasonable and rational human beings."
Society, and the political institutions and laws that underpin it, moderate and redirect the innate aggressive impulses of man, not always successfully though as we know.
Rodney Syme
Urologist
a very important contribution about seriously harmful human behaviour and why ot occurs.
I have some disquiet with the use of the word 'evil' in the title of this discussion - this is one of a number of words that carry heavy religious overtones (such as sanctity, spirituality, immortality, ressurection) which are all good English words but have been so absorbed into religious dialogue as to make them almost pejorative when used in secular debate. All acts that would be considered evil cause harm to an individual or group. To my mind, the use of harm instead of evil would strengthen this argument.
Dr Rodney Syme