The road of history is a pot-holed one. But that doesn’t mean, despite the crashes and stutters, that we don’t eventually get past them. The UN vote over upgrading the Palestinians to non-member observer status within its claims to the 1967 borders is one example of that. The vote was passed today with the 193-member assembly voting 138-9 and 41 abstentions.
By no means does the vote suggest that Palestinian sovereignty is a foregone conclusion. Israel has done its best to curtail such efforts over the years since the Oslo Peace Process, and it does have a group of diminishing allies in that quest.
The Palestinians have not done themselves any favours in the broader quest for statehood either. These problems go back to 1947. Israel, in one of history’s cruel tricks, might be a Goliath presiding over matters of territory and control, but there are deadly divisions in their opponent’s effort to seek recognition.
Hamas, for one, refuses to compromise with Israel, seeing it as an entity that deserves obliteration. For that reason, any bargain on statehood that is ever struck with Israel is potentially sunk before it even sails. Israel reciprocates with a crippling blockade and retaliatory strikes against the Gaza strip for their limp efforts at military prowess, though there are a few suggestions that compromise might be possible – in the future. Fatah, led by President Mahmoud Abbas, has been sidelined in the broader debate, and will find hope in this vote.
In every other sense, Hamas, with its crude but cunning strategy of exposing Israeli heavy handedness even as it fires missiles into Israel, has left their opponents stranded. The more moderate Palestinian voices have had a lesser role to play of late, and an argument can well be made that the vote will inspire the more reticent to take a stand.
As the notable Israeli paper Haaretz observed:
Israel will suffer a humiliating political defeat and find itself isolated along with the United States, Canada, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and, at best, Germany and the Czech Republic.
Australia chose to abstain from the vote, after prime minister Julia Gillard, who wished to vote against statehood, faced pressure from a rebellious backbench.
This position certainly had its adherents – there were 41 in all. UK Foreign Secretary William Hague expressed the view that, while not opposing the upgrade of Palestinians to non-member observer status, pre-conditions were necessary. Among them will have to be a Palestinian assurance not to sue Israel for war crimes through the International Criminal Court. He wanted confirmation that:
Up until the time of the vote itself, we will remain open to voting in favour of the resolution if we see public assurances by the Palestinians on these points.
The vote is not likely to jeopardise Israel’s relations with other countries in the EU, or even those who abstained. There will be much theatre, and there will be indignation.
The truth is that an abstention, in trying to be on the “right side of history” is a meek act, but it has its role in international politics.
There is also another reality here – that the Palestinian-Israel matter is not going to be resolved in a forum such as the UN. Benjamin Netanyahu and his colleagues may wish to personalise the UN antics as a personal defeat, but that resolution will lie elsewhere.
Politics is the art of the possible, and possibilities for preventing Palestinian sovereignty from becoming a reality are rapidly diminishing. Israel’s efforts to put conditions on the attainment of that goal are becoming less feasible over time. The abstention option for some countries, while it might be treated as a “half-way” house of measures, is simply a reflection of the complex range of issues at stake.
That complexity is reflected by one cold reality: November 29 marks the 65th anniversary of the UN Partition Resolution of 1947. A “two states for two peoples” solution was certainly mooted at that point, for all its problems, but it was not something that was acceptable for all parties.
Former Australian prime minister John Howard has weighed into the debate, suggesting that his contemporary Julia Gillard “lacked the courage of her convictions”.
That said, the to and fro within the Labor caucus suggests that the debate was lively, from a “yes” vote posed by Andrew Leigh to the “no” stance of the Prime Minister. In the end, the heavies of foreign policy – Gareth Evans and Bob Carr – lobbied for an abstention. They can hardly be accused of being too enthusiastic about Hamas.
Carr, having himself co-founded the group “Labor friends of Israel”, has made it clear that, “as a friend of Israel, at times you’ve got to save it from itself".
The point here is that all parties have to save themselves – and that might well be in the offing with this UN measure.
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Marilyn Shepherd
pensioner
So why spoil this with the crap that Hamas wants Israel obliterated when it is the other way around?
Israel started Hamas, Israel worked with Hamas to get rid of Arafat and only turned on Hamas after they murdered Arafat.
I am sick to death of the lies and bullshit, even if they wanted to obliterate the Israelí's how do they do it against a statelet with 200-300 nukes.
Fair dinkum, do try not to show your own stupidity too loudly.
The whole thing is a lie and hoax, Palestine was not obliterated 65 years ago in the general assembly, have you all forgotten already what res. 181 actually said.
It was jewish terrorist gangs who obliterated Palestine.
Stiofán Mac Suibhne
Contrarian / Epistemologist
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Linus Bowden
management consultant
"vōciferor, ergo sum".
Emeritus Professor, Marilyn Shepherd (1950-2012, and on and on and on)
Mike Hansen
Mr
@Stiofan
Actually Stiofan, while her story may not be complete, Marilyn provides some facts.
You provide nothing. Perhaps you could start by showing where her facts are wrong.
Early Islamic activism in Gaza
With its takeover of Gaza after the 1967 war with Egypt, Israel hunted down secular Palestinian Liberation Organization factions but dropped the previous Egyptian rulers' harsh restrictions against Islamic activists.[16] In fact, Israel for many years tolerated and at times encouraged Islamic activists and groups as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the PLO and its dominant faction, Fatah.[16][82]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
On Jewish Terrorist gangs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Phil Dolan
Viticulturist
'Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.'
'[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. '
'various Zionist Organizations which take on all sorts of names and shapes such as: the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, gangs of spies and the like. All of them are nests of saboteurs and sabotage.................., it will wipe out those organizations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam.'
Well, I could copy and paste all night but I think most sane people get the idea. The Charter of Hamas. You are weird if you support them over Israel.
Mike Hansen
Mr
@Phil Dolan
I support the right of the Palestinians to their own state and the return of land stolen by Israel for settlements.
In a democracy, who the Palestinians elect as leaders is their own business.
Do you support the Islamists who are fighting the Assad regime in Syria? Or the Islamists who helped depose Gaddafi in Libya? I don't, but I do support the Syrian and Libyan peoples right to fight for democracy.
Equally it is not hard to find thoroughly objectionable people and programs…
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John Phillip
John Phillip is a Friend of The Conversation.
Grumpy Old Man
@ Mike Hansen. Marilyn does lie when she denies that Hamas wants Israel to cease to exist as a state.
William Bruce
Artist
"It was jewish terrorist gangs who obliterated Palestine" You said it.......Seems this is the truth.....AND they also murdered UK & USA officials & military too in this ONGOING process.....
AND, as I understand it the Palestinians & Arabs were promised a Palestinian State by UK & this was reneged on...
Also didn't the ancient Israelites steal it from the Cannanites?
In any case it is is 2012 and racist Israel and its global shills are a blight on all humanity... States have no rights to just kill people and terries people in order to steal their property "because of their religion"......ALL people deserve uniform Justice regardless of religion...AND there is plenty of land in the world...
Geoff Taylor
Consultant
Why is there this perpetual blindness in Australia's foreign affairs stance to UN Resolution 446 on what is legitimate Israeli territory in the eyes of the world body and what isn't.
I've just finished reading an initiative to resolve the issue by the King of Jordan forty years ago and we are no further ahead today.
Linus Bowden
management consultant
Given that the King of Jordan started the whole tedious matter in the first place.
Geoff Taylor
Consultant
But Linus, the King of Jordan wasn't called Balfour.
alfred venison
records manager (public sector)
nor was the king of jordan called picot, or sykes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes-Picot_Agreement -a.v.
Linus Bowden
management consultant
Well of course not. What bloody stupid names for dudes who claim they're descendants of the Prophet Muhammad. Try Ahmed, Hussein, Abdullah, or some such. But such perspicacity is wasted here dear boys. For 10 points, what was Humphrey B. Bear's middle initial!? Come on, Chop, chop. GIYF, and all that. News at 5 - Muslim King denies his first name is really Himey.
Geoff Taylor
Consultant
Before Sykes, Picot and Balfour, of course, the land of Israel was handed out on other authority, regardless of those already there, according to the Hebrew scriptures.
See Numbers 31, 1 and 31, 17-18 (bloodthirsty indeed!) The resident virgins (32000) were counted as loot, Numbers 31, 32-35. As to what land area was given on allegedly divine authority to the Jewish people who had come from Egypt see Numbers 34 and 35.
Phil Dolan
Viticulturist
Mike Hansen,
Yes, an Israeli newspaper criticises mad politicians in Israel. Could a Gazan newspaper criticise Hamas?
Sure there are loonies in Israel, madmen who think along the same lines as Hamas, but there are people who have a say and want peace. Hamas does not recognise Israel's right to exist. Let's get that absolutely clear. HAMAS DOES NOT RECOGNISE ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST. And you've turned a good argument around. Israel did not make Hamas think that, but Hamas certainly gives the loonies in Israel cause to be even more loony.
I agree with one thing you said. Avigdor Lieberman is a loony and I see no difference between him and Hamas.
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Stiofán Mac Suibhne
Contrarian / Epistemologist
Responsibility for this online shopping opportunity? Zionism or Palestinianism?
Gerard Dean
Managing Director
Just imagine Australia's reaction if Indonesia continually fired missiles into Darwin. Sure, they are not very big missiles and they only kill or maim the odd child occasionally, however they keep coming.
Far out.
Gerard Dean
Mike Hansen
Mr
To complete that analogy, Australia would have occupied Indonesia for 65 years, have many Indonesian leaders in prison, used targeted assassination against some of them, built settlements on Indonesian territory, turned an Indonesian island into a open air prison and blockaded it by land and sea.
I know reality is not one of your strong points Gerard but have you considered that given the overwhelming vote in favour of Palestinian recognition including votes from many of Australia's European allies that there is a bit more going on here than Mr Murdoch and Mr Bolt have told you?
Phil Dolan
Viticulturist
Mr Hansen, do you recognise Israel's right to exist? Would you be prepared to stand up in a Gazan street with a sign that said that?
Mike Hansen
Mr
Phil. I support a 2 state solution so yes that includes Israel.
I would not stand in any Arab street with a pro-Israel sign. That includes in states that are our closest allies in the ME. Or among the Islamist fighters who we supported in Libya and are currently supporting in Syria.
What is your point?
The US with Australia's blessing is currently negotiating a settlement with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Does that make the Taliban better than Hamas? Or is it more likely that your arguments are strawmen?
Trite but true - we make peace with our enemies not our friends.
Phil Dolan
Viticulturist
Mike Hansen, no strawmen here. The US can negotiate with the Taliban and then go home. We can also come home. Where does Israel go? How can you make peace with someone who has publicly stated and everyone knows, will continue with their goal of obliterating Israel. The Taliban want to destroy the US. So the US has security on inbound flights etc. etc. etc. They can't fire rockets into NY or LA. So how dies your argument stack up? As you should know, Hamas does not want peace. Palestinian people do. One day there will be two states or no state. When Hamas wants two states, there can be.
I can guarantee this. If Hamas publicly stated that they would accept two states and sign a peace treaty, it would happen. There would be pressure enough in Israel to make it so. They did give back Sinai remember. And they did leave Gaza.
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William Bruce
Artist
Noteworthy for Phil Dolan (& you might read up on the slaughter of The Canaanites)
http://208.84.118.121/pf_early_palestine_original_people.php
Who were the original inhabitants of Palestine?
Dolmen, Bronze Age graves, Golan Heights (2200-2000 BC)
The history of the area is complex due to the many tribes and (later) nations that settled, conquered and ruled, traded there or moved through: Canaanites, Philistines, Samaritans, Nabataeans, Greeks, Romans, Muslims and Christians.
In pre-Biblical times, the area was known as the Land of Canaan and had been a collection of city-states, tributary to the Egyptian Pharoah, as attested to in the Tel-El Amarna tablets. The breakup of the Egyptian empire beginning about 1500 BC made possible the invasion of the Israelites.