Dear Nick, Thanks for your response and your nice way of expressing your experience, fair enough on the cost thing, but its almost nothing in the scheme of things, or compared to what the drug its replacing would cost, like 35 or 50 to what 350 to 450 maybe 500, so i wouldn't really call that a myth,

I don't believe in giving anybody a drug that is messing their life and their family's life up, full stop, so i cant agree on giving anyone alcohol. Give them a counselor and a rehab i say,

The reasons people become lost and dependent on any drugs are, emotional, physical, psychological, environmental, circumstantial, situational, behavioral,immaturity, to help them, we need to help them with the reasons,ie; solutions and answers, not the habit.

There's always a reason for everything. you will see by my explanation, that its not always a reason, but many, and in that, i don't say, kick them whilst their down, i say offer them a hand up(in words and guidance, encouragement, not a drug.
On the addiction i was pretty much right then, and like you pointed out, the psychological addiction can take longer, but is always individual, and goes without saying, that some will cope better than others in that regard.

One to three months of sleep disturbance is nothing, sorry mate but try years of that as a victim carer of someone being force addicted and drugged by mental health and psychiatry on poisonous mind bending, life destroying psychotropics.

If you think heroin addiction is a problem, try psychotropics. Ive been to some NA meetings, and at one meeting 13 of the 16 there, some from personal experience, some from knowing others, said that psychotropic withdrawal was harder, more disturbing than anything they've ever experienced, and leaves heroin for dead, and there's no escape for the vulnerable and insecure, the overwhelmed green people.

If a sick see-err, says your sick, he or she is going to make sure you are, by firstly, taking your freedom away,then forcing you with the assistance of glorified bouncers, to hold you down, and inject you with hallucinogens and insanity, that way they make sure you stay that way, or at least appear that way for the appeal process that the victim is going to take them to, see the difference yet Nick?. at least when you finally recognize that heroin is destroying "your life", "you" can walk away.

The same cant be said for this compulsory,turn up the condition, three times worse psychotropic drug.

Sleep deprivation fades into insignificance in comparison to that also, I can see that you've given the heroin and morphine a pretty decent nudge yourself, I wonder if you will ever get away from that ?. On your final point, addiction and dependance are the same thing to us normal people, but to a mental health victim and psychiatrist, its dependance, to street drugs its addiction, just clearing that point up first, can you see the mental health angle there.

The majority of addicted people, are on mental health drugs, and over half of those are forced to take it at the expense of their sanity, and against their sense of trust or freedom, so half don't choose, but are made addicted, and feel abused, and half choose to be addicted and feel helped.

I cant sneer at mental health victims Nick, but maybe you can understand how i feel about it, when there are some who aren't even allowed to escape, and comparing those to others who have a choice, it probably comes out as a sneer without me even trying,

I believe all conditions, whether mental or physical are usually temporary,99/100 always with an answer, and a solution, the answer or the solution, being the answer and the solution, again not a drug, start and finish there i reckon.
Temporary drugs like the condition !! , yeah!!, but only temporary.

If anyone should know about dexamphetamines (ADHD), Ritalin (ADHD), it should be you Nick, these are kids your talking about right? just like "we" used to be, but drugged off their brains, nothing right about that mate.

Drugged forcefully, by a 1984 government and their henchmen (mental health/psychiatry) to make our kids, just right, like baby bears bed.

Other drugs ! you say,what, like zyprexa, haloperidol, etc, http://psychroachesadverseevent.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/zyprexa-adverse-reactions.html, anyway its a bit hard to see people knowingly destroying their own lives and not stopping it, compared to people having their lives destroyed, "and not" being able to do anything about it.

I am a straight these days, but i tried everything from about 17/18 to 26/27 and then i grew up,im glad my brain had developed enough before i started bending my brain on drugs, which i believe helped me in the end to became strong and confident enough to live without a crutch, even if i wasn't, i was going to be, plus id burnt myself out a bit by then, been there done that,

The only drug i didn't give up was the gunga because it made me feel peace, and not aggro like alcohol, and Ive never had an addiction, i could stop anytime i wanted to, and i only had a pipe after dinner and my days work, i gave that up only last year.i started with alcohol, or should we say a dummy, and went onto sugar, then chocolate, then lemonade, then cigarettes, then alcohol, then smoking dope, then LSD, then mushies, then powders, heroin, to all the others, then finishing on speed, so ive got a bit of a clue on what drugs do, and why they do what they do.

It was alcohol(most of the trouble) that i gave up, that helped me understand how /a way,to give up, HABIT, is the key word, a habit is what you do, how you behave, what effects you, take anyone out there in the community, and wake them every morning at 7 am, and do that for a year without fail, and i guarantee that person will wake at 7am, even when you arent there,

We are creatures of habit, and habits make us who we are, so all i had to do was create a new reality, or habit, and time would shape/make me new, which is what i did, no einstein theory, or medication, just me, a plan, and the change that had to happen.

A really good psychologist helped me see things(my thinking) less obstructively, and encouraged me, helped me to stop beating up on myself mentally and emotionally, which was really in the most driven by the alcohol and an immaturity anyway, all i had to do was stick to the plan of four drinks a year, i did and because i did,it taught me that, that plan, and change for the better, equates to any drug or habit that you need to stop, i don't even drink now, very occasionally,or rarely, but im always a happy inebriated person,the new habit became the new reality, just how it was meant to.In the same way it can for anybody if they have the desire, the will power, the insight, the maturity,some support, and if they care enough about "themselves" and the people they love, and who love them.
If i could put them in a headlock to make them see it i would, but i wouldn't give them a drug for a drug.Temporary maybe, but heroins a bad habit, so is methadone or buprenorphine, im not going to pretend, or encourage a bad habit. end of story. if you believe its right for you then im happy for that, even if i don't agree, because its right for you because you believe its right,imagine if you weren't happy with that and i wouldn't let you come away. Thats psychiatry. Dealers that don't offer their drugs but force them down your throat, with no known escape, or will never let you escape until they consider you to not be a threat, to yourself, or the community, with a com-pliancy rule, and an only answerable to themselves reality. Now thats!! "addiction".