The looming byelection in the state seat of Melbourne is set to have a national impact.
With Greens candidate Cathy Oke strongly tipped to beat Labor’s Jennifer Kanis on 21 July – the first time the ALP will have lost the seat in more than a century – the flow-on effects may reach all the way to Canberra.
The likely Labor loss is being touted as a vote against the party brand. But Prime Minister Julia Gillard argues that voters “understand they’re voting for a seat in the state parliament.”
This comes after a week of Labor attacks on the Greens and arguments over preferences at the federal level.
Will the Melbourne byelection be about local issues? Or will disenchantment with federal Labor spark a Green win in a seat they already hold federally? La Trobe University’s Dr Ardel Shamsullah looks at why the seat of Melbourne is unique and how it has come to be seen as Greens territory.
Does the state seat of Melbourne reflect “mainstream Australia” in a political and economic sense?
Decidedly not, it’s a very unusual seat. Within the Victorian context, it’s the youngest seat with the largest number of young adults, and with the highest proportion of tertiary students. It’s the seat, I think with the highest proportion of renters, lowest proportion of home owners. And in terms of working families, it’s the seat with the lowest proportion of families with dependent children in Victoria.
So it’s a very unusual seat, but all these factors make it eminently part of the Green demographic – a seat which the Greens should perform strongly in. It ticks all their boxes.
Is the inner Melbourne area now “natural” or “safe” Green territory?
What initially started out as gentrification of these areas, which seemed likely to turn some of those industrial inner city seats from Labor to Liberal has moved on to a sort of post-industrial, post-materialist demographic.
That’s tilted it away from both Labor and Liberal to the emerging Greens party.
The Greens have gained strength and support over the past few election cycles as they’ve matured as a party. But in electoral terms, the position of the Liberal party worked against them at the last election.
Ted Baillieu took a strong stand and decided to direct preferences to the ALP ahead of the Greens. So it was Liberal preferences, the bulk of which flowed to Labor allowing [retiring member] Bronwyn Pike to retain the seat. But he shored up his support in the Liberal heartland by coming out so defiantly against the Greens.
Also because the Baillieu government is not contesting, in no way can this be seen as any sort of barometer of electoral enchantment or disenchantment with the Baillieu government. It’s tactically wise as it avoids contesting in a seat where they inevitably would finish third.
Is Julia Gillard being set up for a fall by her own party, perhaps in order to trigger a leadership challenge?
The message from people like [NSW ALP secretary] Sam Dastyari is directed towards socially conservative former Labor voters who have gone across to the Liberals. And it’s not really directed at the peculiar character of the city seats where the Greens have become strong in recent years.
Urging Labor supporters to repudiate the Greens, even if that goes down well in the outer suburbs, it would work against Labor’s chances in this by-election.
The Greens are being lambasted for policies which the great majority of the Melbourne state electorate support. Policies like a more accommodating line on asylum seekers, environmental awareness, action against climate change. The Greens are castigated for policies that people like Dastyari believe deter Labor support, but in the electorate of Melbourne it’s the Greens policies which resonate very strongly with the electorate.
Should the ALP accept the loss of areas like Melbourne and concentrate on shoring up its suburban vote, presuming Greens will never support a Liberal led government?
It’s inevitable that Labor can’t be all things to all people. But there’s clearly tension between the left, radical policies of the Greens and the more bread and butter, economically focused issues that the suburban majority of the Australian electorate would be most concerned about.
But Labor has tried to straddle a very broad range of constituencies and it may well be that some peculiar inner city electorates will become Green strongholds.
It raises the question of what the Labor party stands for. It was a party based on the trade union movement with strong working class orientation and a focus on material advancement and redistribution on behalf of the working class.
But because of these new constituencies that have emerged which could be called post-materialist, concerned about conservation, rights, social justice, Labor has found it increasingly difficult to accommodate the two camps.
I think Dastyari would like Labor to repudiate the post-materialists and return to what he sees as the majority, suburban heartland. It’s their traditional base, but it’s evolving from unionised blue collar to white collar and professional, but who are still family oriented, materialistic and relatively socially conservative.
lucian weyland
One who serves the people
Joined Labor in 79, left in 84.
When I joined Labor stood for awards, collective bargaining, refugees, free tertiary education, nuclear-free Australia, no uranium mining, land rights, peace, and Palestine.
Today Federal Labor opposes worker rights to construction workers, supports uranium minining, selling to nuclear weapon states, promotes racist welfare policies, locks up refugees, allows US, nuclear ships into our harbour, supports US wars.
Greens have always been pro environment, and pro peace. They have had a strong pro - human rights agenda from early on. They have not changed - Labor has - it is no longer a progressive party.
No I am not part of the Greens. I belong to Socialist Alliance - the True Workers' party.
Shirley Birney
retiree
The big fat wicked lie of Labor and Liberal state and federal governments which excuse a thousand cuts to our food animals that provide sustenance for humans. The animal abusing export farmer cares not one jot for animals; he cares only for profits. All frequently laugh at the animals they torture and abuse.
Sadly, tragically, Labor and Liberal governments have used their collective wisdom and power to increase the misery of sentient creatures. What self-delusional, sadistic folly. There is not a statesman among the lot of them. A pox on both their houses.
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
So your position is now obvious. Do you actually know any farmers? I suspect not. I do. And they are not as you describe. Every farmer I know cares about the welfare of his/her animals - his/her financial viability depends upon that as the health and well being of the animal has a very large effect on the quality of the product.
Cheers
Shirley Birney
retiree
I am from pastoral and grazing country and you are an apostle of the wool industry.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?
http://animals-angels.org.au/cms/images/stories/aa-aust/live-export-reports/7-aa-australia-fao-report-2012-03.01.pdf (Graphics - Page 9 onwards)
http://www.stoptac.org/index.php?page=no-justice-for-clean-green-tasmanian-animals
http://www.vale.org.au/uploads/1/0/4/3/10438895/vale_press_release_120323.pdf
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
I repeat - do you actually.know any farmers? I can cherry pick citations from the web too. But personally I don't think it adds value to the argument. You say you are from pastoral and grazing country but you reside in the closeted environment of Perth. Come on Shirley - what is your real agenda, spit it out and prepared to be challenged rather than this snide and disparaging commentary that you chose to evoke, be honest and talk about what you really believe, or is that too difficult!
Shirley Birney
retiree
That is not your business and I'd prefer to give my personal details to Jack the Ripper.
Mendacious trolls from the Animal Taliban just don't do if for me nor anyone else it appears considering the collective walloping you've just copped on TC.
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
Walloped - I don't think so. Abused - certainly. And apparently the moderators agree :-)
You may find the following article interesting. It contains some relevant insights as to the affect of power on the psyche of those that have it - and this medium is empowering to those who would otherwise have none..
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528720.400-power-is-the-ultimate-high.html
Enjoy
Shirley Birney
retiree
My humble apologies for the term “walloping” is most inappropriate for one Peter Sommerville whose “unconstructive” red boxes registered thus:
-127, -43, -42, -35, -33, -32 etc etc etc.*
* One person = one vote – the democratic way.
That ain’t no 'walloping' – that’s a wipe-out - a Massacre with a capital M. Yet he whines and pouts. Such is the vengeful Mr Sommerville.
https://theconversation.edu.au/what-is-carbon-pollution-and-why-are-we-trying-to-stop-it-7943#comment_53618
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
Contra principia negantem non est disputem!
:-) Have a great day.
Byron Smith
PhD candidate in Christian Ethics at University of Edinburgh
"But there’s clearly tension between the left, radical policies of the Greens and the more bread and butter, economically focused issues"
There's little that's more radical than bread and butter. Climate policy is a "bread and butter" issue since it has profound implications for our food production. One of the most worrying effects of a warming world is its increasing effect on suppressing crop yields. In poorer countries, food price spikes (such as have been seen in the last few years exacerbated…
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PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
" the largest number of young adults,... the highest proportion of renters, lowest proportion of home owners. And ... the lowest proportion of families with dependent children in Victoria....all these factors make it eminently part of the Green demographic."
So the over 25s, home-owners and people with kids aren't part of the "Green demographic"?
Terry Flew
Professor of Media and Communications at Queensland University of Technology
Melbourne is a very demographically atypical electorate, at both State and Federal electoral levels. Drawing larger conclusions from the electorate of Melbourne is now as risky as drawing them from an electorate like Kennedy in Far North Queensland. Like Kennedy, it may also be developing a distinctive minor party profile unlike that of the rest of the country - Katter in the far north, the Greens in the far south.
Taking Melbourne to be a gauge for wider Australian public opinion would be as risky as taking those who make Twitter posts to the #qanda hashtag to represent the Australian population as a whole.
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
Terry,
I wonder just how many "atypical" electorates are emerging across Australia?
Terry Flew
Professor of Media and Communications at Queensland University of Technology
Lorna, it depends on whether atypical means likely to elect an independent and/or minor party candidate, or ones where the contest is becoming a straight Labor/Greens contest. If the former, there are quite a few, although a backlash is looming against the independents in otherwise LNP electorates after the Windsor/Oakeshott deal with the ALP. This will not, however, affect Katter, who rightly points out that there is strong ALP support in his electorate (particularly around Mt. Isa and the mines) who vote for him, but wouldn't vote LNP.
If the latter, there are four at a Federal level - Melbourne, Grayndler, Sydney and Denison. Denison is unique among these in that it will be a four-corenred contest in 2013, with Wilkie, Greens, ALP and Libs getting roughly equal shares of the vote. Wentworth is in a class of its own, as Australia's pre-eminent gay-friendly, hipster Liberal-held electorate, with Malcolm Turnbull having a 12% margin.
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
Thanks Terry,
I'd class Malcolm Turnbull as pretty atypical.
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
But not in a bad way...
Terry Flew
Professor of Media and Communications at Queensland University of Technology
Malcolm Turnbull has carved out an atypical position for himself, given that he represents an electorate with views on a range of issues that would differ significantly from those of many Liberal MPs.
David Doe
Videogame Producer
"...radical policies of the Greens..."
I'm am sick of hearing this from commentators everywhere without a single example given in any instance.
It plays into both ALP and LNP talking points without actually examining Greens' policies and determining if they are 'radical' or not.
To have it bandied about so nonchalantly as if it's self-evident without at least generally pointing in the direction of OE policy and WHY it's 'radical' is ridiculous.
Where are the radical policies? Why are they radical? Compared to what?
All I see at the moment is both the major parties losing votes forever from a large swathe of the politically engaged youth demographic.
Shirley Birney
retiree
The Greens are no longer invisible. That's why they're "radical" (threatening). They've served their purpose and so they must be euthanized. Ask bully boy Paul Howes who's running scared, shrieking BS and bollocks.
Gary Murphy
Independent Thinker
They are threatening because they refuse to compromise.
When you have an obstructionist opposition and a balance of power party that refuses to compromise - government becomes impossible.
Shirley Birney
retiree
Nonsense. Greed merchants, parliamentary fascists and ecocidal freaks who've contaminated the biosphere and brought this nation (and the planet) to its knees are/were not members of the Green Parties.
Just ask little Johnny Coward whose oligarchy chewed the **se of Momma Nature for eleven years with impunity and where he sabotaged any member of his party who gave a fig for the environment. Yeah right, as the plutocrats/oligarchs would tell you: "It's the economy stoopid. We leave our mess for the suckers to deal with."
Gary Murphy
Independent Thinker
I agree with you Shirley - I just think the Greens could achieve more if they could bring themselves to compromise a bit more.
Being unnecessarily obstructionist could lead to a backlash from the major parties. (I was reading somewhere that the NSW labor right was threatening to preference Greens last and they claim that if the coalition followed suit the Greens could be reduced to 2 seats in the senate).
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/julia-gillard-in-need-is-a-green-friend-indeed/story-e6frezz0-1226421979698
Gil Hardwick
Anthropologist
The big problem for Labor here, in the context of encroachment by Greens - it happened in Fremantle too - is that the entrenched Labor/Union old guard are Luddites still adhering to the old rubric, "the Liberals make the money and we spend it.".
They are the reason this country has declined in its leadership of key climate, conservation, technology, arts and cultural policy since the 1970s, directly responsible for the rise of radical, fruitloop Greens ideology in place of the intelligent, forward…
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retiree
Liberal Premier Barnett, attending Greens MP Adele Carles’ Christmas Party in 2009 declared he was chuffed that she had won the seat of Fremantle.
Liberal Treasurer, Minister for Transport and Emergency Services, bra-snapping, chair-sniffing adulterer Troy Buswell really loved Fremantle Greens MP, Adele Carles. Heh.
"Goodness gracious me, I know what you're trying to do. Just you wait and see."
David Doe
Videogame Producer
Citation needed.
I ask for examples, and you don't give one.
Congratulations for proving my point.
Gary Murphy
Independent Thinker
Yes - their political methods leave a lot to be desired (the ends always justifies the means) - but what about their policies?
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
10/10 for puerility, Gil.
I doubt you've ever met a Greens voter.
Jon Nosurname
Consultant
So, I was rusted-on Labor. Then I was offended one too many times, and so I started actually looking at what the Greens policies actually are. When I realised that the Greens AREN'T on the fringe (and I have two politics degrees, so I'm not entirely ignorant), it became a very easy decision to switch.
Gillian King
logged in via Facebook
In 2007 I was hopeful that Labor might finally loosen its ties with the Union movement and become a broad-based left-centre party. That didn't happen and now Gillard is tying the party tighter than ever to a dwindling Union movement. They'll wither into irrelevance.
Or they would if the Greens loosened up and occupied the space of a genuine left-centre party. Instead, they position themselves at the intransigent fringe, leaving a nice big gap for Labor to waffle around in.
I foresee decades in the wilderness until some bright spark decides that Labor could see the world through a prism other than worker/boss, and Greens could see the world through a prism other than radical fringe. That might enable them to unite and be effective representatives for the progressive left.
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
Don't despair Gillian,
Political fashions go in cycles. The green vote is currently concentrated in privileged inner urban areas, which have developed here in Melbourne as predicted by the then MMBW City Planners over 35 years ago. I suspect the situation in other capitals is the same.
There is an increasing social disconnect between the suburban fringes and the inner suburbs. In time the now green voters will age, in concert with the population of the fringe, and your vision may become more likely.
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
Peter, I read your comment and realised that nobody actually answered my question:
"So the over 25s, home-owners and people with kids aren't part of the "Green demographic"?"
(Although Terry Flew's comments were very interesting nonetheless).
In my experience, what happens when Greens age and move to the suburbs is they:
(a) keep chickens
(b) install solar hot water and PV
(c) practice permaculture and
(d) carry right on being Greens.
From the point of view of the average social-justice-driven middle-aged, suburban Green, Campbell Newman et al. are the radicals.
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
We have to wait a bit longer Lorna. They really haven't been around that long.
Lorna Jarrett
PhD candidate, science education; Physics teacher
"We have to wait a bit longer Lorna. They really haven't been around that long".
Which ones - the Greens or Newman's mob? At the rate the latter are going, by the time we've made up our minds about them, there won't be much of Queensland left. "Beautiful one day, a big smoking hole in the ground the next".
Peter Sommerville
Scientist & Technologist
Both.......
Simon Midgley
Rigger
I do not as a rule get involved in "talkback". I only write this because I am confused, this is easily achieved as I am by no means a rocket surgeon. Watching ABC news, they suggest that the Greens are making cuts by slashing 150 milion from Myki. Is this for real? Is the state government seriously entertaining spending another 150 million on a system that does not work. How stupid are we, that we allow the government to do such, without any consequences. I think I may get into politics. What a life. Decisions without being answerable. I love it.
Jon Nosurname
Consultant
I was living in London in 2007. I took a day off work to stand in the freezing cold in a Kevin07 t-shirt outside Australia House (incidentally, the largest single polling booth in an Australian Federal election) to ensure that I would return to a country I felt good about. I have been enrolled in the Federal and State seats of Melbourne since 1999.
I quite reluctantly, despite my enormous respect for Lindsay Tanner as my local MP, concluded that I could no longer in good conscience vote for…
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