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Boston Marathon attacks: a very restrained US media and online response

Winters in Boston are bitterly cold and excessively long. So it’s little wonder that residents greet Patriot’s Day – the mid-April, Massachusetts-only holiday marking the Revolutionary battles at Lexington…

The Boston Marathon bombings sent shockwaves across the world - how have the American people and the media reacted? EPA/Billie Weiss

Winters in Boston are bitterly cold and excessively long. So it’s little wonder that residents greet Patriot’s Day – the mid-April, Massachusetts-only holiday marking the Revolutionary battles at Lexington and Concord – with such enthusiasm. To mark the ritual start of spring, Bostonians pack Fenway Park to watch the Red Sox, and they line Boylston Street to cheer on the finishers of the prestigious Boston Marathon.

Yesterday that festive atmosphere disappeared in an instant, as two shrapnel-laden bombs tore through crowds gathered near the marathon’s finish line. The devices detonated ten seconds and 100 metres apart, leaving at least three dead and over 170 wounded.

Though the Obama administration did not formally call the bombings an act of terrorism until Tuesday morning, it was hard not to draw parallels to the September 11th attacks twelve years ago: the gruesome images, the wandering and uncertain bystanders, the unbroken media coverage.

As they did twelve years ago, most Americans witnessed the attack and its aftermath through a constant stream of news reporting. Within an hour of the explosions, news networks switched over to wall-to-wall coverage, chasing rumours of additional bombs and wrangling interviews with eyewitnesses.

With little information to go on, anchors had ample time to speculate. Yet they resisted the urge: when counterterrorism experts appeared on the news network MSNBC, the hosts repeatedly emphasised the importance of avoiding speculation that was not based on well-sourced information.

Such restraint was a sign that news media have learned from the last few decades of covering terrorist attacks on American soil. Eighteen years ago this week, a truck bomb in Oklahoma City killed 168 people and injured nearly 700 others. Media speculation immediately after the attack centred on Middle Eastern organisations, but investigation soon revealed the terrorists were home-grown: anti-government militiamen striking out at the federal government.

In contrast, on-air journalists have, for the most part, been careful not to hypothesise about those responsible for Monday’s attack.

Americans’ experience of Monday’s attack differed from previous attacks in another way as well: the prevalence of social media. In 2001, only about half of American households had internet access. There was no Facebook, no Twitter. The first smartphone had been introduced in the United States only a few months before the September 11th attacks. As the day unfolded, most Americans followed on television and radio. The few eyewitness recordings came from tourists with video cameras.

The streets of Boston are empty as police and authorities continue to search for answers over the Boston Marathon bombings. EPA/Matt Campbell

Yesterday’s attack unfolded over Twitter, Facebook, Vine, and Reddit, along with innumerable news sites. Reports poured in from runners and bystanders. Video and photographs made their way onto the internet in a matter of minutes.

Google deployed its Person Finder to reunite those separated in the chaos – a far cry from the handwritten onsite pleas and the scattered online sites after September 11th.

Moreover, Americans following on Twitter found not chaos and misinformation but caution and careful curation of breaking news. As news of the bombings broke, the Atlantic’s James Fallows tweeted, “Wait until it’s KNOWN. Immediate speculation has very bad track record for accuracy.”

Like Fallows, other tweeters consistently warned against retweeting speculation and gossip, and quickly quashed rumours and erroneous information. It wasn’t perfect, but the site functioned well as mobile service in the city failed and major websites such as the Boston Globe crashed.

The media experience surrounding terrorism in the United States has changed, and so has the lived experience. “We are a hardened people now, compared to the nation of civilians caught unaware on 9/11,” Walter Russell Mead observed this morning. “We have lost the illusion that the 21st century will be a time without tragedy and testing.”

Yet some things have not changed. A much-circulated video shows Fred Rogers (the beloved host of Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood) relaying advice his mother gave him when something bad happened on the news: “Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.”

And so it was in Boston. The runners who, having just finished the 26.2-mile race, kept running to area hospitals to donate blood. The on-site emergency workers who turned belts into tourniquets to stop life-threatening blood loss. The Bostonians who opened their homes to displaced runners and spectators.

When President Obama addressed the nation this morning, he catalogued the acts of generosity and heroism that took place in Boston, then said: “So if you want to know who we are, what America is, how we respond to evil — that’s it. Selflessly. Compassionately. Unafraid.”

Much has changed in the United States since the terror attacks that gripped the nation twelve years ago, but this spirit remains the same.

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  1. Ron Chinchen

    Retired (ex Probation and Parole Officer)

    Another cowardly act by deranged individuals.

    But I must say that the US seems to be handling this incident better than the last one. There are too many reasons not to go off speculating and over exposing about such incidents. For one, innocent people become targets just because of their race or religion. Secondly, over publicising is just what the terrorists want. They want disorder, they want division, they want hatred, they want the afterglow of the feelings of success, fame and feeding the…

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  2. none at all

    none

    I'm repeatedly shocked by manifestations of the current religious war and my sympathy goes out to the victims in Boston.
    I heard Barak Obama's speech in which he classified all attacks on innocent civilians as terrorism, but he did not specifically include the actions of U.S. drones and helicopters. My sympathy goes out to those victims, too.
    Perhaps the two are related?

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    1. John Newton

      Author Journalist

      In reply to none at all

      Good point Bob I forgot drone deaths. Unofficially - they're a state secret until Wikileaks tells us - estimated at 4,700 - civilians including children women and a very small number of those targeted.

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    2. Claudia Slegers

      Research Fellow- Michael Kirby Centre for Public Health and Human Rights at Monash University

      In reply to none at all

      Good point re drones. Also approx 40 Afghani civilians were recently accidentally killed by US after a gun went off in a non Taliban/trouble area (it is customary at Afghan weddings for shots to be fired into the air). Really if Americans insist in engaging war in others' countries it would not hurt to educate them more about the local cultures and customs, some cultural anthropology me thinks.

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    3. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to none at all

      How do you know that this crime is even part of some religious war? It could just as easily be down to some nutter who doesn't like marathons.

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    4. none at all

      none

      In reply to Judith Olney

      Time will tell, but I'm quite happy to leave speculation about anti-marathon nutters - or even little green men - to you, whether it's good taste or not.

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    5. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to none at all

      I'm keeping an open mind Bob, I think that people will naturally speculate in the absence of any evidence or suspects, and I would rather see speculation than people jumping to conclusions.

      Its more the betting side of things that I thought was bad taste.

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    6. none at all

      none

      In reply to Judith Olney

      You're quite right about speculation and jumping to conclusions. As a life-long applied scientist, I've always had to go with the best information available, but that often involves working with interim presumptions, while keeping an open mind and gladly accepting new evidence as it appears.
      In the Boston event, the audience were the target - not the runners, so indiscriminate terrorism seems most likely, which appears to be the official position. This has commonly arisen from religious and cultural…

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    7. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to none at all

      I agree Bob, the problem is not those that possess good critical thinking abilities, such as yourself, its those that will not wait for the evidence, or bother to test the evidence, if it doesn't suit their particular prejudice or thinking, but act on the assumption.

      This is what happened when America decided to attack Iraq, and our own government followed. Who knows how many innocent people, including men, women, and children, have died as a result of this inability to wait for the evidence…

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  3. John Newton

    Author Journalist

    BOMBINGS in Iraq, including one near a governor's convoy, have killed eight people a day after a wave of attacks left 50 dead ahead of the first elections since US troops withdrew.

    The spate of bombings comes a day after more than 30 attacks killed 50 people and wounded almost 300

    A total of 14 election hopefuls have already been murdered and just 12 of the country's 18 provinces will be taking part in the vote.

    Monday 15th April: 62 killed

    Death since the war began conservatively estimated by Iraq Body Count 112,043-122,573 with Wikileaks Iraq War Logs adding an other possible 12,000

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    1. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to John Newton

      In this game of body count all we see is dead bodies and we fail to uncover any reasons at all..

      So in Afghanistan how millions of people were held prisoner and held totally as slaves? those numbers do not find it into this game of body count, it seems, they are still alive sort of ,.. and once everyone leaves Afghanistan, what are we going to count? who cares if it is back to the dark ages for these people..

      Have included a link below which talks about the positive side of Afghan life which has been allowed grow with freedom.. But lets continues to count dead bodies and justify one violent act with others and have no idea why we are fighting at all.. Let face it there are groups of people that believe they should rule with their own laws and the west or anyone that questions that are killed.

      http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/lift-afghan-women-educate-all?utm_source=YaleGlobal+Newsletter&utm_campaign=09dc9e9ca7-Newsletter9_14_2010&utm_medium=email

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    2. Lynne Newington
      Lynne Newington is a Friend of The Conversation.

      Researcher

      In reply to John Newton

      I've been think about Iraq too.
      Especially viewing Four Corners The Spy's That Fooled the World.
      Somewhere some day down the track someone will have to pay, whether America, Britain or us.
      Germany never gave one of them any credibility if I remember correctly,and like many others, providing images of Hussein all over the internet being searched for lice was appaulling.
      In the end someone will have to pay directly or indirectly.
      It will be interesting to see where this present episode leads to.

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  4. Sean Lamb

    Science Denier

    In Australia there is unspoken agreement in the media that stories about suicide should not be publicized if it can be avoided - if there is some news angle that makes some level of publicity inevitable then it should be as unsensational coverage as possible. The rational is that other people might be encouraged to copy cat acts. I don't how real that concern is.

    It strikes me that this global saturation on this event - the close up on the blood, the endless parade of eyewitnesses, the tributes, the memorials, the various opinion writers falling over themselves to find the triumph of the human spirit, the whole kit caboodle, in a way valorise the terrorists' actions.

    Sure, they are the villains of the drama, but no one doubts the significance of the drama. How can it not be significant when it has monopolized the world's attention? I suppose it is unavoidable, but I am not sure it makes future attacks less likely.

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  5. David Beirman

    Senior Lecturer, Tourism at University of Technology, Sydney

    Congratulations on a great article. The most natural instinct for media people after an incident like this is to speculate on who is to blame.Just as it is important for the media to show restraint in indulging in uninformed speculation it is equally incumbent on the "expert commentators" to be careful how they answer the inevitable question of suspects.

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  6. mark delmege

    self employed

    Lets not forget that 'Western countries' have been filling Syria with weapons and fighters backed with intel and training to take down a legitimate government – using terrorism, and terrorist tactics and backed by MSM propaganda killing tens of thousands of people. Those little bombs in Boston are mere scratches compared to the carnage carried out by our side. And now we hear that our own intelligence chiefs are worried that our own people are over there fighting along side al-Qaeda types learning all the nasty tricks while they effectively serve Washington's interests. All this conveniently ignored – just like it was in Libya and for so long in Iraq and Afghanistan. You give us wall to wall coverage of a relatively minor event and ignore the really important stuff - as usual.

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    1. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to mark delmege

      "'Western countries' have been filling Syria with weapons"

      where is your proof?

      and are you saying that Iran, Turkey, Saudi, Egypt and others are not involved at all?

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    2. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      Look up the arms to Syrian opposition fighters via the Global Research website, very well written, by professional people and they never publish rhetoric or wild allegations. They deal solely on evidence and patterns of behaviour and all manner of ways that reasonable and considered opinions need to be robust and withstand scrutiny. The weapons mainly come through Turkey by the way!

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    3. mark delmege

      self employed

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      ample proof Joseph Bernard but would it matter if I showed you? As I said just like Libya where our side armed al qaeda to take out Gaddafi just like it has been doing for a long time in Syria. Terrorism is national policy and so far tolerated by the UN.

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    4. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to mark delmege

      "ample proof"?

      do you think if america and "our side" removed all their arms involvement.. do you think that the al qaeda and the other "freedom" fighters will stop killing and trying to take control?

      did you notice what happened in Mali, and is happening in Nigeria, in Somlia, in Iraq, in Yemen, in Syria.. who exactly is it that is doing the fighting and why? ever wondered that? or is it "All our fault"... you would make a good catholic.

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    5. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to Bob Down

      Turkey, Iran, Saudi, egypt and the other Arab states are fighting to gain control the area..

      I know the west is involved, which is stupid and only making the whole war worse.. Our own Bob Carr is a supporter of the invasion of Syria and our media backs his line..

      As it stands the only people that win it seems is the islamic fighters because it seems they like the war

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    6. mark delmege

      self employed

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      The thing is Joseph the US had a plan long ago to take out al-Asad and have done lots to make sure he goes. Political support at every juncture, weapons, intelligence, communications and anything else that will help their cause. Perhaps without US influence Turkey and Qatar and Saudi Arabia and certain European powers would not have lent their weight the way they have. Of course Bob Carr backs the 'rebels' he'll do whatever the yanks want him too. But its wrong! You can be certain that America's backing for the war has upped the anti and contributed to terrorist attacks killing tens of thousands of people that would otherwise be alive – with their families. As I said 'but would it matter if I showed you' obviously it won't. You seem to think its a good thing. Again I don't think it is justifiable policy there or anywhere else they have pursued those sorts of terror tactics.

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    7. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to mark delmege

      Mark,

      For a start, the line i draw is Aggressors vs Passives.

      1. In Boston we have a passive crowd that was violated. The then alleged aggressors have met with a violent end. I would have preferred if this violence did not occur but it did, and i am not sure any amount of talking would have stopped the two young men from killing again or to give themselves up peacefully.

      2. Afghanistan.. Taliban have been the aggressors as far as i can tell having attacked both afghans people…

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    8. mark delmege

      self employed

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      OK fair enough Joesph, like yourself I don't like violence either. No I wouldn't say it is only the 'Wests' fault. But they/we have played a big part. You could name any part of the world where big powers have played with the lives of small people and nations. Take Afghanistan for example – as you mentioned the Taliban. Even before the Russians invaded the US was arming gangs of terrorists to take down the then socialist government of Afghanistan. Those (Sunni)gangs became al-Qaeda and were part…

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    9. Joseph Bernard

      Director

      In reply to mark delmege

      "They played a big part".

      ok, so lets look at south america for example. We have the same reported "big part" in the politics of the region. just go back 30 years ago and maybe even more recent.. Do we have the same out of control madness? Or are have the people of south america taking positive, peaceful steps to take their countries into the future?

      Giving a person a gun does not mean that person will go out and kill.. So, ultimately the person with the gun needs to take responsibility for pulling the trigger. Unless the person who pulls the trigger is challenged and made to be accountable then, i would argue that we help justify that persons killing(s).. as long as we justify the killings then we are complicit in that killing or violence.

      We need to understand WHY people feel compelled to turn pressure cookers into bombs.. There has to be more to it than US policy otherwise the whole world would be an exploding pressure cooker.

      peace

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    10. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to mark delmege

      Aha so it all started in Afghanistan, in the modern era. What about Lawrence of Arabia obtaining a guarantee from the Europeans that the Arabs that fought to get rid of the Caliphate in Turkey and thus the Turks in the 2nd world war (who we also fought) would after the war have independent homelands. And then after the war the European powers sat down with I think Woodrow Wilson of the US and the Europeans carved up the map of the Arab lands giving France Lebanon and others Iraq and Syria etc…

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    11. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      Sorry didn't finish the sentence.
      Like the gun control issue, though, breast-beating prevails, and in spite of the state of Massuchusetts not having the death penalty, this young boy who had nothing really to do with Chechnya will be at the whim of the federal not state prosecutors, so will probably be executed in a country that also has nothing to do with Chechnya.
      Where does stupidity stop??
      Add to that the idea of having a dangerous fertiliser plant on the edge of a town, and people calling freedom fighters terrorists, and stupidity is rampant!

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    12. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      Global Research reports online and available show the conduits into Syria for the so called rebels, being via Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel. Western and Israeli people are on the ground in neighbouring countries facilitating the movement of weapons from Libya as well as western sourced hardware. Look it up!

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    13. mark delmege

      self employed

      In reply to Joseph Bernard

      Joseph, South America – now that's changing the subject somewhat. Fortunately the people of South America have largely thrown off their US backed dictatorships. Things are progressing relatively well – (Honduras aside following the right wing US backed coup early in Obama's Presidency) – considering the significant class differences, significant poverty, uneven development and now agitation by the US to resume its role in running that continent. Interesting that only South America resisted the renditions…

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  7. Liam Hanlon
    Liam Hanlon is a Friend of The Conversation.

    Student

    "anti-government militiamen"

    Sorry can you please describe these people properly. The above description makes them sound somewhat like a group of upset soldiers when they are in fact nothing but Christian white supremacists intent on fascism.

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    1. Liam Hanlon
      Liam Hanlon is a Friend of The Conversation.

      Student

      In reply to John Phillip

      Erm have you ever read about the militia movement in the US? They are white supremacists, Christian and neofascist. Nothing bigoted in pointing the facts out and even if it was I couldn't care less about bigotry towards fascists.

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    2. John Phillip
      John Phillip is a Friend of The Conversation.

      Grumpy Old Man

      In reply to Liam Hanlon

      Why the bigotry against Christians, Liam. That's as silly as saying all muslims are terrorists, no?

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    3. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Liam Hanlon

      Yep, and don't leave out the fact they could lead us into a 3rd world war if they push the Holy Lands further into the realm of Christian control (with the Israelis in the middle).
      However, one must use caution in one's appraisals. I was convinced this bombing was red-necked terrorism as it occurred on Patriot's Day with the immigration bill allowing the Latinos to have citizenship imminent. Especially when it was followed by a massive explosion near Waco!! But I was wrong, completely and utterly, it was a couple of crazed kids who then went out and robbed a 7 Eleven, for a cause that has really got nothing to do with the US- Chechnya.
      So although those horror types exist which you and I seem to agree on, and they are extremely dangerous, both on an obvious level such as Waco bombing and also on a more subtle level such as pressure on US policy in Israel, they are just not to blame for everything!

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    4. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      Israel in the middle, Israel is all over every single conflict in the middle east, and those "freedom fighters" you keep referring too, are not, they are hired proxy mercenary thugs aimed at destabilising the region even more than it already is to further the goal of Israel to isolate Russia's only presence in the region and pave the way to the ultimate target being Iran.
      Israel has so much to answer for it is not funny, and the blind support for anything Jewish or Zionist by the west is disturbing…

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  8. Peter Ormonde

    Farmer

    Yes the media response has been restrained - not least because the US has a history of home-grown terror and no one can be sure whether this came as part of some jihadist madness or a more localised lunacy. That no one has claimed "credit" yet suggests the latter actually.

    And while the coverage has been cautious - it's been global and in-depth.

    It's worth remembering that Iraq get three of four such incidents every single week. These are liucky to get a mention on SBS let alone in "our…

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  9. Yanshuang Zhang

    PhD Candidate at University of Queensland

    It's interesting that there are more rumors on Chinese social media where people are quite skeptical about US government's claimed prompt and effective rescue work, and defining this incident as"terrorist attack". Ordinary US citizens earn the most sympathy and respect from all over the world, but US government, not really.

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  10. Dianna Arthur
    Dianna Arthur is a Friend of The Conversation.

    Environmentalist

    Thank you for balanced article.

    I was in Boston many years ago now, back when I was fit and able to run - I arrived too late to qualify for the marathon. My memories of Boston remain clear; bitterly cold (to an Aussie who had been living in Arizona) but vibrant, friendly, beautiful - one of the old style American cities that still had a heart in its CBD. I can remember the finishing line all too clearly as well.

    Whether the perpetrators were home grown or part of some religious nuttery, the result is the same: more lives taken, people grievously injured and the repercussions spreading indefinitely.

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    1. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to Dianna Arthur

      Off topic, sorry.

      Great to see you haven't left us Dianna, your contributions are valuable, and I have come to see you as a friend. Please reassure me that your name change does not put you in any danger.

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    2. Dianna Arthur
      Dianna Arthur is a Friend of The Conversation.

      Environmentalist

      In reply to Judith Olney

      Judith

      Thank you for your kind words.

      I am in no more danger than I ever was.

      I thoroughly enjoy your erudite comments and consider you as a friend also. Looking forward to continuing The Conversation.

      Cheers

      Dianna

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  11. Geoffrey Harold Sherrington

    Boss

    I consider it to be highly inappropriate to post this discussion in "The Conversation".
    It is not going to lead to much more than uninformed opinion of little value.
    Given your public funding for this blog, you should be more sensitive than ambulance chasers.

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  12. Judith Olney

    Ms

    Interesting that much of the media coverage on the ABC news last night, was about how security is to be tightened during other sporting events in Australia, and in government get togethers, and how we should be stepping up our security measures, after this event.

    Why, if as the author here says, and even the POTUS says, that we don't know who committed these crimes, or why they committed these crimes, is the media suggesting that this is something we in Australia, and indeed in other western countries, need to be overly concerned about? Why should we be fearful of something like this happening here? Why is the media fear mongering in this way, with so little information to go on?

    I think all the talk of tightening security is a bit premature, unless we are not getting the full story.

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    1. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Judith Olney

      Which goes to show that your comment has just busted the "restrained" component of the story by the media, it is unconstrained and already either vilifying patriotic citizens who might be responsible, as well as vilifying foreign Muslims. The article was in depth about the measured response from government and media, the media response has been anything but measured and cautious it has firstly during the week said it was right wing patriotic gun owning Christians, and now it is Chechen Muslim students and boxer brothers. Media these days is shameful!

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  13. Venise Alstergren
    Venise Alstergren is a Friend of The Conversation.

    photographer, blogger.

    Oh that the Murdoch press in Australia had been as restrained as the American media. Two double pages of the Hun, on top of the conventional cover, filled with images and comments. What is it with these excuses for newspapers; three dead Americans equal a thousand Afghanis; two thousand Iraqis?

    No surprise that we have hoons racially insulting supposed outsiders, and on public transport. They take their foetid opinions from the Herald Sun, the Daily trollograph, and the public sewer called Alan Jones.

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    1. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Venise Alstergren

      Bravo, nailed it Venise!

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  14. Baz M

    Law graduate & politics/markets analyst

    First of all, let me just clarify that such an act is disgusting, and overrides all cultures, religions etc as disturbingly against humanity. Killing innocent people at a popular family like event is horrifying to put it mildly.

    In having said that, I am equally as disgusted with mainstream/commercial channels coverage of the event. For some unknown reason, my tv happened to be on channel seven as their news came on. I kid you not, every second story was an update on the Boston bombings. I'm sorry…

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    1. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Baz M

      Only problem with your comment there Baz is the fact McVeigh had assistance from the FBI and that the science of independent research and testing found the Ryder truck ammonium nitrate bomb was not sufficient in explosive or thermal energy to cause the damage caused to the building. Video and still photography showed n a number of trucks delivering unidentified boxes to the building in the hours before it opened for business.

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  15. Caroline Copley

    student

    Hi sorry to hear of the horrors in Boston. Must say I am pleased that no Aussies were hurt. But nevertheless horrified by the loss of limbs etc.
    I have written about my views on another post on the Conversation.
    I am trained as a scientist and thus understand fully the need for proof, and am glad there were no knee-jerk reactions without evidence which targetted moslems etc.
    But quite honestly it seems obvious to me.
    These persons (I think there were most likely two as there were 2 bags…

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    1. Baz M

      Law graduate & politics/markets analyst

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      I must say that was a very on the ball analysis.

      Those things you just mentioned seem pretty spot on. Although evidently such things are not evidence within themselves, I think you have many attributes of a good investigative journalist.

      Cheerios.

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    2. Sean Lamb

      Science Denier

      In reply to Baz M

      A factory has blown up in Waco Texas, almost 20 years to the day the Fed blew up some religious nutcases, and the media cavalcade has moved on.
      April is the cruelest month.

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    3. alfred venison

      records manager (public sector)

      In reply to Sean Lamb

      the first terrorist attack on american soil since 9/11, they said. on hearing of the fertilizer plant exploding near waco, i recalled that within days of the 9/11 attacks, a fertilizer plant exploded in toulouse france killing 28, injuring many more & shattering windows in the nearby town. an uncanny kind of synchronicity? -a.v.

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    4. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      You have swallowed the right wing patriot lie, the events have overtaken your comment as it is now Chechen Muslims in the bag for this.

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    5. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Baz M

      Not at all Baz, she has swallowed the fiction that within 2 hours the media in America was pouring onto the airwaves that it was patriotic gun owning right leaning groups or individuals, since dropped as a line of sensationalism and it is now the good old backup bad guys, Muslims, this time from Chechen backgrounds, it doesn't get any clearer than this, that this has been manipulated all along.

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    6. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to Bob Down

      With one brother dead, and the other critical, we are never likely to know the truth, this smells like a set up. And whats with the people cheering and celebrating the death of someone supposedly innocent until proven guilty?

      This world is so full of hypocrites.

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    7. Venise Alstergren
      Venise Alstergren is a Friend of The Conversation.

      photographer, blogger.

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      CAROLINE: Are you trying to tell me that all of the front runners were African, or that there were no Black runners sprinkled through the field?

      Are you also saying that precision timing in the amateur bomb-making sphere is so delicate that timing is down to the last nanosecond?

      How can you arrive at this, " are nationalistic, done on Patriot Day?" Rather I would imagine bombers would aim for the maximum amount of people. Where does one find a lot of people together? At sporting events on public holidays.

      Racists are cowards and hunt in packs. Religionists justify any behaviour in the name of God.

      Did you say you were a scientist?

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    8. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Baz M

      Thankyou very much but analysis also leads to science which is where I am devoted. However my analysis in other areas is clearly faulty as I got this wrong, wrong, wrong!!
      Except there were 2, oh well.
      Two kids who were brought to the US when they were 8 and 15, then went on to be model citizens, liked by everybody, which suddenly changed when one of them went home to Dagestan (Russian). All of a sudden his primary concern is Chechnya where he had never lived, being brought up firstly in Krygystan. And so he ropes his younger brother in to the Chechnyan cause, which has nothing to do with the US at all, and then conducts the bombing and goes on to rob a 7-11. It would be farsical if it wasn't so tragic.
      Anyhow given the tirade against climate change science and we who support it with the evidence proving it is correct, it is ok to be wrong sometimes when speculating about things one has nothing to do with really!

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    9. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Bob Down

      Wrong actually Baz. I analysed the information all on my very own, believe it or not we females can do that, without input from America at all, as I found they were at pains to not have a knee-jerk reaction and invade someone like after 7-11. So I looked at the evidence myself. The immigration law was imminent, plus it was Patriot's Day. 2+2=4.
      Only I was terribly wrong.
      The right-wing threat is nevertheless not a furphy of someone's imagination. They are real and dangerous. How you as…

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    10. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Venise Alstergren

      Yep to scientist.
      Point taken about black runners throughout the field. Maximum number of runners come in around 4 hours, which is when the bomb went off. But the bomb was not timed for the (often African) front runners, but for the maximum public exposure. And yes, the timing of these devices is very precise.
      Even though I was wrong about the bombs being a "patriotic" reaction to the law being discussed in that week, letting the Latinos remain in the US, the evidence now shows the bombs were…

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    11. Baz M

      Law graduate & politics/markets analyst

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      Hey what did I say? I complimented you on what I thought was a very good analysis. That's all lol...

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    12. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Baz M

      Going to retract your congratulations now that the theory this amateur sleuth has put forward has held water about as well as a sieve?

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    13. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      Security analysis and the forming of a working scenario don't necessarily work within the confines of 2 + 2 = 4 type of application to a problem. Security is fluid, dynamic and kinetic. The putting forward of the right wing patriotic type offender is a commonly used move by the media when they have been provided with an "off the record" sound bite by one of their sources in the security agencies involved, usually with that informant having the permission of the agency in question.
      As a security…

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    14. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Baz M

      Sorry Baz I was actually replying to Dave Phillips and used your name in error. Thankyou very much for the compliment.

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  16. Bob Down

    logged in via email @bigpond.com

    Restrained media response, pull the other one, the media jumped onto the "right wing patriot" culprit after only 2 hours when reporting about suspects and evidence. They followed the script perfectly and muddied the waters very efficiently.
    As well as the president talking to the cameras about terrorism being inflicted on innocent people.
    I would point out to Mr kill them all with drones Obama, that teh death the same day of 30 people at a wedding party in Pakistan/Afghanistan was terrorism as…

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    1. Baz M

      Law graduate & politics/markets analyst

      In reply to Bob Down

      Very well said. Looking at seven and nines broadcasts, one feels that we are in a constant state of the edge of a war.

      As for those others whom have perished since the Boston attacks throughout the Middle East due to much more brutal terrorist attacks, they get none to minimal coverage as their victims are evidently semi human species.

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    2. Bob Down

      logged in via email @bigpond.com

      In reply to Baz M

      Hello Baz,
      I actually believe we are actively at war as allies to the US, not only are we fighting in Afghanistan with troops in contact, but also as regional partners sharing defence and military technology. We have American troops on Australian soil in the Northern Territory, ostensibly for cross training and fine tuning of "coalition/NATO" tactics and planning between stakeholders in the region.
      But just look at the overall picture of what is happening in the Asia/Pacific region, the US troops…

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    3. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to Bob Down

      Thank you Dave, and well said. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one that thought this event appeared to be staged, along with the all very predictable media call to arms and fear mongering.

      Are we, the public, being primed for the next war?

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    4. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Judith Olney

      This bombing has completely flown in the face of being staged. Who on earth would have thought that 2 kids would do it in the name of Chechnya, when they (and the US) have never even been there. This is anything but staged, this is stupidity at its finest.
      I don't have any problem with their being Israeli security advisors there, because they could have provided insight into terrorist groups they were familiar with, and there should have been advisors about right-wing extremists and Al Queda as…

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    5. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      How do you know all this Caroline, its not even proven that these two young men even planted the bombs, (unless there has been a hospital bed confession from the kid that wasn't hot dead?

      How do you know this had anything to do with Chechnya? How do you know if it was politically or religiously motivated, unless you are getting information from sources no one else in the world is?

      This whole incident, including the killing of one of the young men that is suspected of this crime, feels staged, and nothing has come to light to make it look or feel any different to me. Its all too neat, and all too much like some TV show.

      The event itself may not have been planned, but the use of this event to create fear all over the world is. Its disgusting.

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    6. mark delmege

      self employed

      In reply to Judith Olney

      Anyone who has bothered to chase down the details will know that what we are being told is horse do's. The older brother for example was videoed naked and taken into custody. Next we see is his mangled body on a slab in the morgue. The only reasonable assumption is that he was killed by the authorities. Murdered. And then when you chase down other details is becomes glaringly obvious we are being lied to again. Remember building 7 on 9/11 another lie which should awaken thinking people to the reality that 9/11 is not what the world was told. We are fed a constant diet of lies to justify wars – name any war in the last 50 years and other nasty business. Its time this ended. Its time real journalists did their job. Its time academics told the truth for a change and its time politicians stood up for truth. So the heading above is just spin 'Boston Marathon attacks: a very restrained US media and online response' and the article itself just propaganda.

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    7. Caroline Copley

      student

      In reply to Judith Olney

      Judith good to distinguish between the "event" being staged to the "reaction" being staged e.g. in the media as some here seem to be proposing. The problem is that these events are so shocking that numerous people, including myself, grab at straws, although I disagree with Dave Phillips that the prospect of the rightwing doing it is an insignificant straw.
      I also previously objected to the idea that I had not analysed the events myself and was just being fed media garbage, and I think Judith asked…

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    8. Judith Olney

      Ms

      In reply to Caroline Copley

      Caroline, I asked you some questions, I did not say anything about women not being able to analyse anything.

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