Was Heisenberg too uncertain? In principle … maybe

The Uncertainty Principle, introduced by Heisenberg in 1927, applies to observations of the properties of the quantum world, which is typically microscopic in scale. As I explained a few months ago, it has the profound implication that we cannot know everything. Earlier this month, a paper from physicists…

T9vwtrjf-1348118677
No matter which way you look at it, you can’t find out everything.

The Uncertainty Principle, introduced by Heisenberg in 1927, applies to observations of the properties of the quantum world, which is typically microscopic in scale. As I explained a few months ago, it has the profound implication that we cannot know everything.

Earlier this month, a paper from physicists in the University of Toronto was published in the prestigious journal Physical Review Letters (public-access pre-publication version here) that at first sight seems to show that their experimental results violate Heisenberg’s principle.

How could the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), which has been fundamental to physics for more than 80 years, suddenly be disproven? The Toronto experiment actually used some of my own research, so I am well-placed to explain what is really going on.

Not really a principle

First, as I explained previously, Heisenberg’s “uncertainty principle” is not really a fundamental principle at all. It is actually a consequence of something more fundamental, namely quantum mechanics (QM). This theory applies to all forms of matter and energy (as far as we can tell) and is extremely well tested.

The experimentalists in Toronto, led by Aephraim Steinberg, do not claim to have disproven quantum mechanics. Indeed, the design of their apparatus relies on QM being correct.

Moreover the experimental violation they report was predicted using QM, in a 2010 paper by Austin Lund and me.

So … if the HUP is a consequence of QM, but QM has not been violated, what exactly is the paper claiming?

One principle, many relations.

To appreciate the paper, you have to understand that the HUP is a general principle which has many different forms. The most useful forms are quantitative relations between various quantities related to uncertainty.

The simplest uncertainty relation, which can be derived quite easily using QM, can be expressed as follows:

(1) Δq x Δv > ħ/m.

Here Δq is the uncertainty in the position of a particle (in metres), Δv is the uncertainty in its velocity (in metres per second), m is its mass in kg, and ħ is a very small constant (Planck’s constant) approximately equal to 10-34 = 0.00 … 001, where there should be 34 zeros here.

Because the two uncertainties multiplied together in equation (1) must be greater than some number, this means that it is not possible for both Δq and Δv to be zero. Hence you cannot be certain of both the position and velocity of the particle – you cannot know everything.

You might be think that if you want to know both you could find them out by first measuring the velocity, then the position. But this doesn’t work, because a perfect (zero error) measurement of position will necessarily disturb the velocity, and vice versa.

This fact is another form of the HUP, relating the error in a measurement of position, e(q), and the associated disturbance in the velocity d(v). You might guess that they should be related by

(2) e(q) x d(v) > ħ/m.

This is a very reasonably guess, and it is essentially the “measurement–disturbance relation” which Heisenberg guessed in 1927.

The surprising thing is that this guess is wrong. According to QM, multiplying the error by the disturbance can be less than ħ/m. In fact, it can even equal zero, a fact which has only been fully appreciated in the last ten years.

The Toronto experiment actually measured the spin of a single photon, not the position of a particle. But there is an analogous uncertainty principle relating the spin in different directions.

Using the technique which Lund and I had proposed, based upon “weak-valued probabilities”, Steinberg and colleagues were able to directly measure the appropriate error (e) and disturbance (d) quantities, and show that they violate Heisenberg’s measurement-disturbance relation (2).

Ozawa’s measurement-disturbance relation

But if Heisenberg’s measurement–disturbance relation (2) is wrong, why can’t you measure position without disturbing the velocity, and hence find out both, in violation of the original uncertainty relation (1)?

The short answer is: because it is impossible according to QM. But that’s not a very satisfying answer, because the mathematics of QM is hard to understand, unlike the mathematics of (1) and (2).

Thankfully, QM allows us to derive a different measurement-disturbance relation that makes everything right again. This was first shown by Japanese theorist Masanao Ozawa, in 2003 (public-access pre-publication version here). Ozawa’s measurement-disturbance relation includes the terms in Heisenberg’s (wrong) measurement-disturbance relation (2) as well as the uncertainties that appear in his (right) uncertainty relation (1):

(3) e(q) x d(v) + e(q) x Δv + Δq x d(v) > ħ/m.

Steinberg’s lab in Toronto also tested the spin-analogue of this relation experimentally, and found, as expected, that it always held up.

You still can’t know everything

Ozawa’s relation (3) allows for the possibility that either e(q) or d(v) can be zero – which is not possible according to Heisenberg’s relation (2) – provided Δq or Δv are large enough. But it is still not possible for both of them to be zero, because that would make the left-hand-side of (3) equal to zero, whereas the right-hand-side is non-zero.

Thus Ozawa’s relation still guarantees that it is not possible to make a zero-error measurement of position with no disturbance of the velocity.

It still guarantees that you can’t find out everything, upholding the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and leaving quantum mechanics in place as the best theory we have.

Articles also by This Author

Sign in to Favourite

Want to follow The Conversation?

Sign up to our free newsletter to get the day's top stories in your inbox each morning, with a special wrap on Saturday.

Spinner
Become a friend of The Conversation and donate

Join the conversation

17 Comments sorted by

  1. Jean-Paul Gagnon

    Honorary Research Fellow, POLSIS and SMP at University of Queensland

    Dear Howard (if I may),

    Thanks so very kindly for this breath-taking article. I was unaware of Ozawa's work. I am also grateful for your summary - HUP in QM has not been this clear to me for a while!

    I am an interdisciplinary scholar - working, or at least trying to work, in between the 'social' and 'natural' sciences. For me, I gained entry to HUP via John Keane - he recently used the argument that we too in the 'social' sciences are bound by HUP especially in regards to understanding democracy.

    report
    1. Mitchell Porter

      logged in via LinkedIn

      In reply to Jean-Paul Gagnon

      Jean-Paul, if you want to investigate quantum democracy, don't forget Radovan Karadzic! After all, he founded the Serbian Democratic Party, and then while on the run, he became an expert in "human quantum energy". The ironic conjunction of Keane's academic musings and Karadzic's political career might be good for an essay.

      report
  2. Dino Legovich

    Researcher

    Hilarious,
    That something is greater to, is now greater to or equal to zero was proven by Bohm,
    Get A Life.

    report
    1. Dino Legovich

      Researcher

      In reply to Dino Legovich

      Dear Conversation Readers,
      -9 comments less one that have any idea of quantum mechanics,
      -9 comments that have demonstrably no idea of quantum mechanics.
      Poor fools. Have you any idea of Plank's constant ?
      If not who are you to judge my comment. Monkeys the lot of you !
      This is my last correspondence with the 'intellegenstia' this website represents.
      What a failure this "Australian" website represents.

      report
    2. Rajan Venkataraman

      Citizen

      In reply to Dino Legovich

      Dear Dino
      Very sad that this is your last correspondence. Your witty and insightful comments will be greatly missed by all of your admirers on this website. A sad day indeed. But we will all take comfort that your last contribution was perhaps your best. Bonne chance, dear friend. Bonne chance. May you one day find the website that will truly appreciate your talents!

      report
    3. Alex Cannara

      logged in via LinkedIn

      In reply to Dino Legovich

      Wow, a throwback to the Copenhagen Convention?

      Dino, can you explain why Planck's Constant's derivation doesn't prove energy is quantized?

      report
  3. Alex Cannara

    logged in via LinkedIn

    The reality of QM, Heisenberg's 'principle', etc. is that it stemmed from Bohr & Heisenberg bullying the mild Einstein almost 100 years ago in Copenhagen, and effectively stopped innovative study of quantum theories for about 70 years.

    More recently, progress has begun to wipe away the Heisenberg-Bohr blunders, and perhaps we can imagine our research now starting up again in the 1920s.

    As Feyman said: "No one understands QM". Thanks Bohr, Heisenberg, Pauli and all the profs who blindly followed their uncertain 'religiosity' to mislead students for decades

    report
  4. Mike OConnor

    logged in via Facebook

    er...there should be 34 zeros there.... after that I lapsed into uncertainty...

    report
    1. Howard Wiseman

      Professor in Physics at Griffith University

      In reply to Mike OConnor

      Mike, you are right, because hbar is about 10^{-34}, not 10^{-35}. I'll fix that. Before you reply that in that case it should be 33 zeros, read carefully what I wrote in the article.

      report
  5. Rajan Venkataraman

    Citizen

    Dear Prof Wiseman
    Thanks so much for this lucid article which makes all of us feel like we can delve into the complex worlds of quantum mechanics.

    Forgive me one quesion based on my high school mathematics. You say "Because the two uncertainties multiplied together in equation (1) must be greater than some number, this means that it is not possible for both Δq and Δv to be zero". Doesn't it also mean that NEITHER can be zero because any number mutliplied by zero would give you zero? And wouldn't this mean that you can never know precisely the position OR the velocity of a particle?

    report
    1. Howard Wiseman

      Professor in Physics at Griffith University

      In reply to Rajan Venkataraman

      Yes Rajan it does also mean that neither can be zero. But either of them can be arbitrarily close to zero, so in that sense you can know either position or velocity as precisely as you like.

      report
  6. Gavin Moodie

    logged in via LinkedIn

    Thanx for this article, which I found admirably clear to a lay reader and informative.

    Congratulations to Professor Wiseman and Dr Lund on this experimental confirmation of their work.

    report
  7. John Nicol

    logged in via email @bigpond.com

    Howard,

    This and your previous article(s) are milestones in the roadway which is the sequence of articles on The Conversation. I am sure there are many readers enjoy this type of "Explainer" article, written so clearly and simply on what is in fact a quite profound topic. 170 publications in physics over about 15 years, at most, is a tremendous contribution to knowledge. Congratulations.

    How can we encourage you and others of your ilk to contribute more often to this forum? It is likely that you are not able to afford the time of course and we appreciate that. However, at smoko time in the tea room at Griffith, could you perhaps encourage some of your very able colleagues in Physics, Chemistry, Geology, Biology.. to contribute some similar articles.
    John Nicol jonicol18@bigpond.com

    report
  8. Arthur James Egleton Robey

    Industrial Electrician

    At the ICCF17 the theoreticians were trying to explain the empirical results of experiments.
    One solution to the penetration of the coulomb barrier was the proposal of a Bose Einstein condensate.
    Once an atom is trapped it's position is "known" therefore it's momentum tends towards infinity.
    Professor Hagelstein predicted colomated x-rays from the surface of mercury. In other words a coupling of nuclear and chemical energy.
    (I am not your peer, so do not anticipate mathematical rigour).
    http://coldfusionnow.org/updates-from-iccf-17/
    Please describe the variables in your equations. I am sure that they are familiar to you but unfortunately they are not familiar to me.

    report