Is Tasmania at a tipping point? Over the past two weeks The Conversation, in conjunction with Griffith REVIEW and the University of Tasmania, has published a series of provocations. Our authors ask where does Tasmania’s future lie? Has it reached a “tipping point”, politically, economically and culturally? Thinkers, writers and doers from Tasmania and beyond, including members of its extensive diaspora, challenged how Tasmania is seen by outsiders and illuminated how Tasmanians see themselves, down home and in the wider world. This is the final part of the series.
Prejudice, ignorance and shallowness characterise the current national debate on Tasmania and its future. On the political right the island is portrayed as the kind of poor, tree-hugging, gay-loving, welfare-dependent, enterprise-free society Green-dominated Labor governments inevitably create. These images fit a narrative established in colonial times when Tasmania was thought of as a government-subsidised prison society where laziness, pauperism and depravity were rife, and self-discipline and self-help unknown.
Whether West Australian Premier Colin Barnett realises it or not, his attacks on Tasmania’s “mendicancy” draw as much strength from ancient fears and stereotypes of Tasmania as a flawed and failed place as from contemporary concerns about the distribution of GST revenues.
The anti-Tasmanian myths perpetuated by progressive intellectuals are less obvious but just as self-serving. Debate on Tasmania is framed in terms of a unique “moment”, “watershed” or “tipping point” where the island faces the choice between embracing the creativity and innovation of the elite few or being held back by “local resistance to change” and “stuck in the mud of the past”.
As with the right’s story about Tasmania’s poverty and weakness, the cultural left’s wipe-the-slate-clean-and-start-again story about Tasmania’s future is based on the assumption that mainstream Tasmanian politics and society is fundamentally flawed, destined to failure and in need of rescue. It also has a very long pedigree. We were told we were on the cusp of a radical rupture with the past when transportation ended, when the colonies federated, when the first Labor/Green Accord was forged in 1989 and when the “New Tasmania” was suddenly born from, among other things, the decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1997.
Each time the reality was far more complex.
It is an understandable and sometimes charming peculiarity of immigrant societies that we see the past as wholly grim and gone and the future as holding nothing but promise, with an unbridgeable chasm between the two.
But it is also a curse.
By pretending a historically important event is a repudiation of what has gone before, rather than its outgrowth, we’re destined not to understand or gain from these events. As in a nightmare, the faster we try to run from the past the slower our real progress becomes.
Tasmania’s leadership on marriage equality is a good example of how distorted preconceptions about Tasmania obscure reality. In August 2012, Premier Lara Giddings announced her government would pass legislation allowing same-sex couples to marry. Continental opinion was bemused. Some commentators labelled it “unlikely” and “ironic” that the last state to decriminalise homosexuality was the first to move on same-sex marriage.
People on both sides of the marriage equality debate thought Tasmania was stepping out of type (with the exception of opinion and arts writer Helen Razer, who opposes same-sex marriage as co-option of gay people into an archaic institution, and for whom Tasmania’s leadership confirmed her pre-existing stereotype of the island as a “creepy” monstrosity).
The reason the nation was surprised was because Tasmania has always been a convenient screen upon which it can project everything it doesn’t like about itself, including its homophobia. The thought goes something like: “however uncomfortable we are with gays, we’re not as bad as those Tasmanians”.
For centuries, islands have unwillingly served the psychological role of allowing continental people to exonerate themselves of their own faults. But now Tasmania was defying its set place in the national psyche. It was inevitable continental commentators would try to portray Tasmania’s leadership on marriage equality as an exception to the proper order of things.
Such commentary was all nonsense. Tasmania has been on the path to marriage equality for many years. In 2005, it was the first state to see same-sex marriage legislation introduced to parliament and publicly debated, with the bill re-introduced in 2008 and 2010. In 2003, Tasmania became the first state to have a scheme for formally recognising same-sex relationships and was the first state to officially recognise overseas same-sex marriages in 2010.
The year before, the Tasmanian state branch of the Australian Labor Party was the first to endorse marriage equality at its state conference – and in 2011 Tasmania’s lower house of parliament, the House of Assembly, was the first Australian legislative chamber to pass a motion in support of marriage equality.
Far from being an unlikely first-mover on marriage equality, Tasmania has been on a trajectory to lead the nation on the issue since the mid 2000s. To confirm this, we only need to look at reforms more broadly. Tasmania’s anti-discrimination laws enacted in 1999 are the strongest in the nation, with no exemptions allowing religious organisations to disadvantage gay and lesbian people. These laws have been effectively utilised to launch globally unprecedented challenges to everything from the gay blood donation ban to the use of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex human rights as wedge issues during elections.
Tasmania’s recognition of same-sex parenting, the state school system’s concerted efforts to challenge classroom homophobia, and the government’s funding of LGBTI support organisations, have all led where other states have since followed. Beyond these legislative and policy initiatives there is a solid foundation of public support. Polls consistently show support for gay equality is higher in Tasmania than nationally.
But that still leaves unexplained how the last state to decriminalise homosexuality has moved so far so quickly. To understand the depth of Tasmania’s transformation it is important to understand how repressive Tasmania once was for homosexuals.
Former laws against gay sex carried the harshest penalties in the western world – twenty-one years in gaol. They persisted thanks to public support, with polls in the late 1980s showing opposition to decriminalisation to be 15 per cent higher than the national average. Through the twentieth century our old anti-gay laws were enforced more often than in the other states, with their repressive impact magnified by laws unique to Tasmania, such as those criminalising male cross dressing.
In the nineteenth century, unprecedented steps were taken to eliminate same-sex relationships among convicts. These included the separate and silent prison at Port Arthur and the continuation of capital punishment for sodomy until 1867, long after it had been abandoned elsewhere in the British Empire.
When I came out in 1987 I was immediately made aware of this repressive legacy. At the first gay community meetings I attended I was warned about the police practice of taking down the car registration numbers of those attending such meetings to add to a list of known homosexuals. Not long after that I was horrified to hear the then Liberal premier, Robin Gray, declare that homosexuals were not welcome in Tasmania.
Only a few months after that the gay rights stall I helped set up at Salamanca Market to gather gay law reform petition signatures was shut down by the Hobart City Council because homosexuals were ‘not welcome in Hobart’s family market’. When we defied the ban the police were brought in and over seven successive Saturdays a hundred and thirty people were arrested in what became the largest act of gay rights civil disobedience in Australian history.
The arrests at Salamanca Market bring us back to the question of Tasmania’s profound change: the Hobart City Council used the twentieth anniversary of these arrests to apologise and fund a public art work commemorating the event. Both were the first of their kind in Australia. How did this transformation occur? How did Tasmania go from having the worst laws and attitudes on homosexuality to having the best? How, in the words of one American journalist, did Tasmania shift in just a few short years from being Australia’s Alabama to its Massachusetts?
The answer lies in the Tasmanian debate over decriminalising homosexuality during the 1990s. It was the most high-profile, bitter and protracted of its kind in Australia. The gay law reform question divided families and communities. The laws themselves drew condemnation from the United Nations Human Rights Committee, Amnesty International, the Federal Government and the Australian High Court. Angry resistance to reform in the state’s upper house of parliament, the Legislative Council, and at hateful anti-gay rallies saw Tasmania dubbed “Bigots Island” in the British press and sparked a boycott of Tasmanian produce.
The campaigns for and against reform mobilised thousands of people to rally, march, leaflet, write and lobby. Gay law reform became a stage upon which the state played out its many tensions and frustrations. Homosexual decriminalisation was rarely out of the news for almost a decade.
One feature of the debate that accounts for its profound effect was the widespread face-to-face community education not previously undertaken in Australia. For almost a decade ordinary lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex Tasmanians travelled around the state addressing church groups, Rotary Clubs and party branch meetings about their everyday experiences and how the law affected them.
The change which this kind of community education fosters is magnified in an interconnected community such as Tasmania. When historians come to ask how it was that Tasmanians embraced ground-breaking gay law reforms, they will conclude that it was often the quietest voices which spoke the loudest.
High-profile actions also played a role. In early 1994, the United Nations Human Rights Committee’s condemnation of the Tasmanian laws sparked a national debate that quickly turned to the question of whether the Federal Government had the power to override the offending Tasmanian statutes.
To bring attention back to the core issue of gay equality, several gay men – including me and my then partner – turned ourselves into the police with statutory declarations detailing our illegal sexual activity. I still recall the odd questions the police asked me in my interview – how often had this occurred with the co-accused and at what addresses, how did I get from position A to position B, and what was I wearing at the time?
Only later did I realise these were questions typically asked of anyone who had confessed to a serious crime, be it armed robbery, rape, murder or homosexuality. At that moment I realised what a tragedy our old laws really were. As it happened the police did not arrest us despite having the evidence they needed. Their decision, as much as any other, destroyed the credibility of our discriminatory old laws and those who continued to defend them.
Another important legacy of the decriminalisation debate was the decision by many LGBTI people to stay in or move to Tasmania. The demographic shift of LGBTI people out of inner-city ghettoes and towards suburban and regional areas, drawn by growing tolerance in these areas, is an accelerating trend across the western world.
But in Tasmania this change was sudden and dramatic. Before the decriminalisation debate it was common for LGBTI people to leave the state if they wished to lead an open life. After decriminalisation that trend was reversed, with successive censuses recording unparalleled growth in the number of same-sex couples living in Tasmania.
The significance of this demographic shift lies in the fact that nothing changes attitudes towards same-sex relationships as quickly or as profoundly as familiarity. When heterosexual people can see that same-sex partners conduct their lives and relationships the same as everyone else, it becomes much harder to justify legal discrimination against these relationships.
But if there was one legacy of the decriminalisation debate which has contributed more than any other to the situation today it is this: in the course of that debate, Tasmanians witnessed some of the worst anti-gay bigotry seen in modern Australian history. We saw first-hand the damage caused by prejudice and discrimination. We experienced how hate divides and cripples entire communities. And having seen all this we opted instead for a society based on tolerance and inclusion.
Taking all this into account it becomes clear that Tasmania’s progress towards marriage equality is not despite our history, but because of it. Far from resisting change, the mass of ordinary Tasmanians has been at its cutting edge. The mud of Tasmania’s past is not something to be shaken from our boots. Our capacity for reform springs from that mud, just as we have done. And it is all the more precious for that.
There are other reasons Tasmania is now leading the way on marriage equality. Just as Tasmania’s leadership on the issue has been the logical outcome of a long narrative about the place of sexual minorities in Tasmanian society, so it is also the result of a long narrative about our place in the federation. Tasmania’s leading federalist Andrew Inglis Clark, like his hero Giuseppe Mazzini, was a romantic nationalist who hoped Tasmania would be elevated by federalism.
Today it feels the opposite. It feels like Tasmania is badly governed from Canberra. State revenue has been hit by the global financial crisis, and our exports and tourism are down, thanks to the over-valuation of the dollar by the mining boom. Our agricultural products are under threat from cheap foreign imports and the diseases they carry. National decisions about key social issues like marriage equality are being determined by a handful of socially conservative seats in western Sydney. Meanwhile, initiatives like the globally acclaimed Museum of Old and New Art are fostering an image of Tasmania as creative and innovative.
There is a sense in Tasmania that we need to assert ourselves more within the federal system, and blaze our own trail to economic and cultural development. Taking the lead on marriage equality, in defiance of Canberra, sits well in this narrative of greater Tasmanian autonomy.
Apart from marriage equality, there are many other cases of real change arising from within Tasmania’s past and its people, rather than from outside them. The island’s world-leading environment movement is the obvious example. The dauntless Aboriginal movement is another. The island’s rich artistic and literary scene is yet another.
What these political and cultural phenomena share with the island’s campaign for LGBTI equality is that the determination and risk-taking that has led to their success was forged by the strident adversity and repression they have too often faced. In turn, that adversity has grown stronger because of the challenge presented by those seeking change, and so around it goes.
Tasmania is a fractured and polarised society with a weak middle ground. It moves forward by the grinding of fault lines against each other. Unfortunately this sometimes produces great heat and instability, but it offers far more to the world as a result. Tasmania is neither entirely conservative nor predictably progressive. If it were, it could not have made its great and original contribution to the nation and the world.
Tasmania is both the abominable Fatal Shore and the felicitous Apple Isle, together at the same time. The fact that such a paradox can exist in the heart of a single people and place is not easy to grasp. But without at least attempting to grapple with Tasmania’s contradictions, the island remains impossible to explain.
So it is to marriage equality we return. In September 2012, after the triumphant passage of the Same-Sex Marriage Bill through the House of Assembly, followed by weeks of hard-fought marriage equality campaigning of an intensity never before seen in Australia, the Tasmanian Legislative Council narrowly voted marriage equality down by just two votes.
Before the vote, momentum was strong, with support emerging from all sections of the community. With pro-equality endorsements coming from prominent legal academics, economists, mental health experts and celebrities, and with a tide of popular support that saw members of the Legislative Council deluged by thousands of pro-equality emails and petitioners, it really seemed like reform was achievable.
But in the end Legislative Council support melted away. Those members whose votes were needed to pass the Bill justified their failure to support it with concerns about the risk and cost of a potential challenge to the validity of the laws in the High Court of Australia. These concerns were wildly exaggerated, leading some people to see them as camouflage for homophobic prejudice.
I’m not so sure that’s the explanation. I heard in the voices of the faltering parliamentarians a loss of nerve. They talked about how often Tasmania had lost in the High Court in the past but they were expressing something much deeper and more insidious – the belief that Tasmania is flawed at its core and that Tasmanians are born to fail.
A desperate desire to prove to ourselves we can succeed, and a fatal fear that we never will – these two contradictory and interdependent impulses drove, and sank, Tasmania’s bid to become the first place in Australia to allow same-sex marriages.
Other jurisdictions now have the opportunity to take a lead on marriage equality. The new ACT government is committed to reform, and with a single, government-dominated house of parliament and a self-confident citizenry, faces none of the barriers that inhibit Tasmania. Relevant legislation also has a chance of passing in South Australia and New South Wales thanks to the Liberals in both states allowing party members to vote according to conscience.
But the Tasmanian campaign is far from over. In typical fashion, the polarised nature of the Tasmanian debate, with its see-sawing hopes and disappointments, has hardened the resolve of those campaigning for and against reform. Those against are determined the issue will not be re-visited. Those for are just as determined the legislation will be re-introduced sooner rather than later, and passed.
Our battle will be one for same-sex equality and dignity. But it will also be a battle for Tasmania’s soul, as all our battles have always been. The world may watch with interest, as it sometimes does – or it may ignore us, as is more often the case. But we shall churn the Tasmanian mud regardless, until something truly remarkable again springs forth.
You can read the whole series here.
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Jack Bowers
Learning Adviser
Analysing Tasmania through the prism of gay rights makes about as much sense as analysing South Australia through its its leadership in women's franchise.
Tasmania is not Australia's Massachusetts!!! That is simply another convenient delusion. Yes, there are liberal, progressive pockets in Tasmania, just as there are in any place.
But if you are going to talk about the state, and not just the conversation in the coffee shop at Sandy Bay, then we need a bit of reality. It not only has the lowest…
Read morePaul Fourie
RF Technology Leader
Irrelevant poorly disguised attempt to bang the gay rights drum.
Fred Pribac
logged in via email @internode.on.net
I thought the perpective presented above for Tasmanian society as capable of rapid evolution and of being humanitarian, political, artistic and environmental front runners was valuable. So were the insights about Tasmania's conflicted nature as both the fatal shore and the apple isle. I was also pleased to see the the spotlight put on the unstated myths and unverified assumptions underlying this series of provocations.
A well written and argued piece.
Rodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
If you had read my piece more closely you would see that I acknowledge the deep problems in Tasmanian society. But my broader point is that there is hope for positive change, which you clearly don't agree with. Jonathan West shares your lack of hope. My response to his essay in the Griffith Review serves as a response to you too. It can be found here:
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/the-hope-jon-west-rejects/
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
funny, i thought it was an example of particpatory democracy
John Regan
logged in via Facebook
Excellent analysis of our Tasmanian society. It is clear that we are different from the continent, we are an island with so many positive aspects that don't fit with the parametres of those who choose to live a continental life. For that we are judged to be unworthy and failing however it is clear to me that we need to measure of performance as a society in different ways.
Many of those who would judge us are not Tasmanians and first and foremost we are Tasmanian; Australian for only 8 years longer…
Read moreDania Ng
Retired factory worker
I am perplexed by the length of this article, when compared with others on this website. I thought that 800-1000 words was the acceptable norm for this magazine. Not 3000 words, like this tirade. Is it because gay advocates are not only given unopposed voice here, but also more of a voice than anyone else? Secondly, I am curious about the description the author gives of himself - "works in a volunteer capacity with the Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group and Australian Marriage Equality". He…
Read moreRodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
My aim in this piece was to look at Tasmania through the prism of the marriage equality debate because this is a debate I am familiar with. The piece does not make the case for marriage equality. If I wanted to do that I would have written a very different piece. My hope is that readers, regardless of their views on marriage equality, can gain insight into Tasmania. I am sorry if some readers can't see beyond their objections to marriage equality to see what I am saying about Tasmania.
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
Indeed, what you are saying about Tasmania is quite clearly through the prism of an argument for same-sex marriage, that's unmistakable, and actually an effective strategy to 'normalise' the concept in our minds. I guess this is prompted by the belief that we are, after all, as a nation looking upon "Tasmania [as] a convenient screen upon which it can project everything it doesn’t like about itself, including its homophobia".
Read moreI obviously support marriage equality; in fact I am thankful that everyone…
Rodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
I don't know what you mean when you say allowing same-sex couples to marry will destroy the heterosexual identity of marriage. If you mean it will destroy marriage or heterosexual marriages, obviously I disagree. If you mean it will destroy discrimination within marriage, of course it will.
As for me, it is possible for someone to pursue legal reform and still be involved in research and teaching as I am. There is nothing unethical about combining the two.
Nicholas Carydis
Student
I am confused when you say that you are "thankful that everyone is free and equal to marry in our country", because I'm male and wouldn't be able to marry a male if I wanted to.
I wouldn't classify that as either free nor equal.
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
Language is the principal means through which power is exercised in modernity - you might remember Foucault, if not Nietzsche, from your undergrad sociology classes? Marriage means a formalised relationship between a woman and a man, as you might remember from your legal studies classes. It uniquely means that, it has always done so, and if it is changed then it will no longer mean that. The idea here is to change language, to saturate all text with a different meaning, which suits different purposes…
Read moreRodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
I suspect you are trying to engage me in a debate about marriage equality to prove your point about my "bias" on this issue and my preoccupation with it. So my response will be as short as possible. The movement for marriage equality is anything but a "Foucauldian" attack on the institution. In my experience many of the advocates for reform believe marriage has a fundamental even intrinsic meaning - the loving, committed, exclusive union of two people - which the current definition of marriage in…
Read moreJane Rawson
Editor, Energy & Environment at The Conversation
Hi Dania, if you read the rest of our 'Tasmania the tipping point?' series you'll see many longer pieces; same with our series from last year, 'What is Australia for?'. That's because this series has been produced in cooperation with Griffith REVIEW, a magazine that focuses on longer, more literary pieces than are our usual style. We hope to offer a diversity of types of story, for our diverse readership. (You might have also noticed our new 'fact check' format, which comes in at around 400 words rather than our usual 800ish.)
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
Thank you for your response. Disappointingly, not what I expected.
Read moreNo, I didn't say anything about a Foucauldian attack on marriage, that's a nonsensical statement anyway. I spoke about discourse and power, I mentioned the link which always exists between language (or its construction and use) and the exercise of power, which we understand because of a lineage of social philosophy derived from Machiavelli, Nietzsche and Foucault. In my view, Foucault is not a postmodernist, despite being labelled…
Rodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
For someone who claims others are dismissive of your views, you are pretty dismissive yourself. I am quite concerned that you are determined to make largely powerless victims of discrimination out to be powerful aggressors. This is an abuse of language if I have ever seen one. But you seem unwilling to seriously debate the key issues at stake so the only point I will make in response to you is that I am not "christophobic". I work closely with many Christians whose faith I admire deeply.
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
But you see, I am not determined to make anyone into anything - your side is. I am aware of your oft-mounted argument about bigoted opponents cunningly playing the 'victimisation' card, to detract from the 'real' victims. However, it seems that there is no explanation of what the latter means. Who are the powerless 'victims of discrimination' you mention? As a sociologist, you should be able to rattle off some key indicators to support this statement. I would be interested to know whether homosexuals…
Read moreRodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
The disadvantage experienced by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people in the areas you mention is very well documented. So is the disadvantage they experience specifically because of their exclusion from marriage. For a primer, I refer you to the submission of Psychologists for Marriage Equality to last year's Senate inquiry into marriage equality (no. 201): http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate_Committees?url=legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2010-13/marriage_equality_2012/submissions.htm
Re Christianity, it's not anti-Christian to point out that a lot of Christians valorise martyrdom. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
Re different names for same and opposite-sex marriages, you know full well I disagree. As I wrote in a previous comment, same-sex relationships fulfill the criteria associated with marriage, so why they be given a different attribution to other relationships that fulfill the same criteria?
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
"negate and invalidate the heterosexual identity of marriage" sorry Dania, that is a little bigotted.
Please explain how "everyone is free and equal to marry in our country", if you then exclude 10% of the population.
So do you also feel that all the re-balancing that has occured over the past two decades to recognise that gay people are "people" not abominations, as an attempt to "Normalise" something that you personally seem to have an issue with?
There is no difference between your resistance to equality than those who think that people from different racial types not be allowed to mary.
Henny Penny is alive and well i see
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
"Marriage means a formalised relationship between a woman and a man"
Dania, that definition was introduced by John Howard and is still intolerable discrimination.
"our language", "our social institutions" my god Dania, do you think gay people are a different species?
Here is a little fact that you may have trouble with, "Gay" people come from "Straight Families".
You want balance? Stop spouting hurtful BS. it only reveals more about your nature than those you seek to denigrate.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
Religious grounds for descriminating against gay people i suspect comes from the need to maintain power by artificially creating an "enemy" to distract from the Churches own attrocities.
It is now clearly apparent that the Church has been complicit in the rape of small children for a significant period of time, who by their own teachings are innocent and especially loved by God. Imagine then how much more damage, hate and injustice have been levied against thinking, feeling and loving human beings over 2000 years, which YOU are still perpetuating.
Would Jesus turn his head in shame? or would he say to gay people "forgive them, for they not know what they do"?
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
you cant constructively debate when your starting position is so inherently unsuppportable. Your not arguing about a respectful co-existence, you are arguing your own sense of supremacy being threatened by people who you have been conditioned to reflexiely consider to be lesser beings.
Just the same argument that allowed slavery.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
So what is your real issue with a same sex marraige? just the word? the concept of the rights attributed to such a relationship?
Why do you feel the need to segregate the two? Just want to maintain a sense of special privilage?
Do you not understand that by demeaning someone, you demean yourself? that there is no seperation? that we are ALL one with "God" no matter how you picture she/him/it?
Is this an example of "they shall see and yet not see?"
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
Sorry Mr Croome, but that's not evidence of homosexuals being 'victimised'. It's a submission by a group of activist professionals which makes the singular point that homosexuals are more likely to suffer from mental illness than the rest of the population. They simply construct a truism. In fact, their argument, that 'discrimination' (more precisely, it has now become denial of "marriage") is linked to mental illness stands in stark contrast to data emerging from places where same sex "marriage…
Read moreRodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
Robert, how am I perpetuating hate and injustice? Or have I read you wrongly.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
Hi Rodney,
I was replying to Dania :)
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
"homosexuals as a group seem to be better off than heterosexuals"
can you please elaborate?
"Christianity is not something that one picks from just the bits that suits them, discarding the rest."
So you've never worked on a Sunday?
Stoned anyone to death lately?
Met any female clergy?
A woman must love and obey her husband?
Marraige - Til death do we part?
Poverty, Chastity Obedience... DOes that reflect the mordern christian church heirocracy?
"Judge not lest ye be judged"?
"above all else to thine own self be true"? (which i would argue gay people are).
The bible is a collection of hand-me-down stories, full of chinese whispers and mutated over the years due to the politics of the day.
It is all about metaphors and much wisdom is to be found there, but only if your prepared to look beyond dogma.
Rodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
The research I directed you to clearly shows the positive impact of marriage equality on mental health.
Properly conducted social research, as opposed to magazine reader surveys and advertising hype, shows many LGBTI people do worse on most socio-economic indicators thanks to discrimination in education and employment.
I have never said people who oppose marriage equality are all bigots and homophobes. In fact I've warned many times against such generalisations.
In most Austalian jurisdictions gender-neutral terminology is already used. Same-sex and opposite-sex married partners should have the choice to call themselves husbands and wives. But they should also have the choice not to use these words.
Give how you distort my views, and insist on seeing me as some kind of conspirator against society rather than someone with a legitimate concern,I won't be responding to any more of your posts.
Rodney Croome
Honorary Lecturer, Sociology at University of Tasmania
Sorry for the mix up. Thanks for joining the thread and exposing some of the inconsistencies in the case from Dania Ng.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
i think i have an allegic reaction to injustice.
Robert McDougall
Small Business Owner
(sometimes when you click on reply after a comment, the field doesn't align to that comment - note to ed)
Dania Ng
Retired factory worker
Thank you Jane for this clarification. I am aware of the series, and I now understand about the exception to the word length. I also understand that you have limited control over the content of the pieces published here as they have been produced by another group. You do have control, however, over what you decide to publish, and whether you offer a balanced discussion on important issues. Regardless of the context, this article is, for me, representative of what is happening on your website.
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