Is Tasmania at a tipping point? While it is known to many of us through seductive tourism brochures showcasing the state’s pristine wilderness, gourmet magazine articles celebrating its burgeoning food culture and newspaper stories gasping at a world-leading art museum, the recent devastating bushfires serve as a stark reminder that all is not as it seems. For most Tasmanians, a darker reality lies beneath the glossy surface.
Over the next two weeks The Conversation, in conjunction with Griffith REVIEW and the University of Tasmania, is publishing a series of provocations. Our authors ask where does Tasmania’s future lie? Has it reached a “tipping point”, politically, economically and culturally? We serve up strategic slices of Tasmania’s past, present and future. Thinkers, writers and doers from Tasmania and beyond, including members of its extensive diaspora, challenge how Tasmania is seen by outsiders and illuminate how Tasmanians see themselves, down home and in the wider world.
I visited Tasmania at the end of 1933. There one golden day on the Derwent, near New Norfolk, under a gentler sky than I had known in Melbourne and Sydney, with Mount Wellington as a gaunt, majestic back-drop to the scene, I sensed that here was a society haunted by ghosts from the past – a society of people in which many things they had inherited from the mighty dead live on in them. I sensed then some contradiction between that gaiety in the very air, and some darkness in men’s minds. – Manning Clark
In Tasmania, the “darkness in men’s minds” identified by Clark has translated into some very bad attitudes and interactions indeed. Recall the coffin-like wooden dunking boxes for punishing disobedient convicts on their banishing sea voyage to Van Diemen’s Land, on display in the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery throughout my childhood; the “panopticon” for surveying and regulating convict behaviour, a theory of philosopher Jeremy Bentham which underpinned penal practice at the colonial gaol at Port Arthur, until its closure in 1877; and the fate of Nuenonne elder Truganini, whose husband-to-be was killed by timber-getters who cut off his hands and left him to drown before raping her repeatedly, on the stretch of water I now cross on the ferry each time I head to Bruny.
Twentieth century low-lights include reports – all mainland muckracking, many locals believe – in the 1930s of families riven by incest at Black Bobs in the Derwent Valley, notoriously involving children with congenital disabilities tied up in the back yard, and reputedly featuring an intervention by a social worker insisting the boys and girls needed separate sleeping areas, after which their father erected a barbed wire fence through the bedroom.
Consider too the barbaric “treatment” practices at the Royal Derwent psychiatric hospital at New Norfolk, some of which are recounted in Hobart poet Karen Kinnane’s collection Postcards from the Asylum (Pardalote Press, 2007). This describes her incarceration at age nineteen for being the kind of rebellious teenager of the 1960s who in other Australian cities would have passed without notice, or been hailed as a minor heroine of the counter-culture.
In 1983, our TV news filled with scenes of police picking chunks of human flesh out of a West Hobart drain, today a stone’s throw from the high-end provedore Hill Street Grocer. American CSIRO marine scientist Rory Jack Thompson had murdered his wife Maureen, cut her into ninety-one pieces and flushed these down the toilet. Then there was flamboyant, kaftan-wearing medical practitioner Geoffrey Boughey, an English immigrant, who in 1985 killed his playmate du jour, Fijian woman Begum Majabi Ali, by pressing too hard on her carotid arteries to heighten excitement during sex.
Most notorious was the tragedy of Tasmanian-born Martin Bryant’s shooting massacre of thirty-five men, women and children on the Port Arthur site in 1996. Bryant is serving thirty-five life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in Risdon Prison, and everyone with long-enough connections here knows someone who was killed, damaged or who mopped up on the front line after his rampage.
Bryant controversially appeared as a figure in Sydney artist Rodney Pople’s painting Port Arthur, which won Tasmania’s 2012 Glover Prize for landscape painting, the richest purse in that genre in Australia.
I recall the pained catch in the voice of the ABC Tasmania radio presenter covering the prize when she realised the identity of that blurred figure – and my own searchings of soul as I wrote a speech to open a connected exhibition of Tasmanian landscape art at Hobart’s Handmark Gallery, articulating a right to respect this contemporary manifestation of freedom of expression.

Bad behaviour is part of the human condition. Look at any schoolyard. Or the Balkans. Or Canberra – recall the aspersions cast deliberately on the personal and professional probity of Andrew Wilkie in the parliamentary triangle when he blew the whistle about weapons of mass destruction in 2003, arguably an experience that trained him well for Tasmania, where he currently serves as the independent federal Member for Denison.
One point of Tasmania’s difference, however, is that when abuse manifests in this small, tight and “sticky” community, it can be unusually visible, intense and damaging to those on the receiving end. As expatriate Tasmanian and Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake puts it, “In any small place you’re bound to have these ‘clubby’ networks…a small place is very vulnerable to capture. It’s happened twice in Tasmania, first with the Hydro Electric Commission and in the last fifteen years with Gunns.”
The fragility of the Tasmanian economy is clearly an exacerbating factor here – when you lose a gig or a job, there can be few or zero downhome alternatives. This in turn bleeds in and out of Tasmania’s low levels of post-Year Ten educational retention and attainment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, high levels of unemployment and welfare dependence, high levels of public sector employment, underdeveloped private sector, and remote geographical location.
This picture darkens when you factor in rates of child abuse that are a national disgrace – the number of proven cases of child abuse or neglect in Tasmania in 2010-11 was an astonishing 56% higher than the national average, most cases involving children aged under five. These rates are second only to those in the Northern Territory, whose population (unlike Tasmania’s) includes a substantial Indigenous component. Take the case of Gary John Devine, who in 2010 was gaoled for prostituting a twelve-year-old Hobart girl to around one hundred men, assisted by the girl’s mother who shared the financial proceeds. Only one of these men has been charged and convicted, Terry Martin, who was the only member of the Tasmanian parliamentary Labor Party who crossed the floor to vote against legislation fast-tracking Gunns’ proposed Tamar Valley pulp mill project in 2004. I’m not saying that’s why Martin was targeted for prosecution, but I am saying it’s all been a very bad look, not helped by the tone of much discussion surrounding the failure by the Director of Public Prosecutions, Tim Ellis, to prosecute any of the other men. Ellis has proffered a legally tenable argument in his own defence, based on the likelihood of successful prosecution – Devine and the girl’s mother sold her as being eighteen years old, and Tasmania is the only Australian jurisdiction without a no-defence age restriction for alleged child sex offenders. But the debate’s danced around some deeper issues about power and process in Tasmania – including their relationship to gender.
Soon after becoming Tasmania’s first woman Premier in early 2011, Labor’s Lara Giddings spoke at an Inglis Clark Centre forum, “Do Women Leaders Make a Difference?” This question was posed because I sensed things hadn’t changed enough in Tasmania since the 1950s, when one of my mother’s contemporaries (the daughter and eventually the mother of Rhodes Scholars) graduated from the University of Tasmania pretty much top of her class, and no one here would employ her.
I’d been surprised, for example, that after several years in Tasmania Sri Lankan entomologist Varuni Kulasekera, whose graduate qualifications are from the Smithsonian and the American Museum of Natural History, and include specialist training in geographic information systems, seemed unemployable in Hobart, a city chock full of science research bodies. Indeed, she was known here mainly as the Wife of Brian (Ritchie), ex Violent Femme and curator of MONA’s music festival, MOFO. Had I stepped onto the set of Mad Men? No, the clothes and ideas here weren’t quite as sharp – except at Chado, the North Hobart tea emporium opened by Kulasekera to hold her own professional traction.
My instinct proved correct. The venue was packed, and the Premier threw away her notes to deliver a candid account of the difficulties she’d encountered as a woman in Tasmanian public life, by virtue of being locked out of key discussions that set agendas. “I knew somehow that I was not there when it counted, but didn’t quite know where that was,” she said. Where “it” was turned out mainly to involve sport, including the invitation-only Chairman’s Lounge at Bellerive Oval. Her pragmatic response was to telephone Cricket Tasmania and ask to be included. “I stood and deliberately included myself in those conversations with the men,” Giddings said. Fortunately, in this instance, the door swung open.
So here’s the wishlist. First, name up the worst behaviour, and shame and strategically remove recidivists. Italy’s Red Brigades didn’t get much right, but had an effective slogan – “strike one, educate a hundred”. If we don’t, that behaviour will emasculate current and concerted efforts to improve options for the worst-off Tasmanians, and cruel our chances of making this the best place in the world to do a number of things of great value. These most obviously include marine, Southern Ocean and Antarctic science; leveraging productivity and social improvement from broadband; high-value agriculture and aquaculture; high-end tourism; and creative economy and cultural initiatives; there may prove to be more.
Second, encourage and reward best practice. To do that, Tasmanians need to recognise it when we see it, so we need to get out more. All Tasmanians should spend a slice of their life finding a way and earning a living offshore – without the special entrée of family connections, government subsidy, and exemption from the kind of checks and balances that apply in larger ponds. Coming back, more of us will be better equipped to constructively challenge outsiders who want to tell Tasmania what’s what. And to stand up more effectively to the Little Britain-ish “computer says no” attitude that’s prevalent here, which can squash innovation with all the charm and efficiency of a Soviet department store.
More of us will also appreciate grace when we find it locally. As MONA’s founder David Walsh suggests, despite Tasmania’s persistent national reputation as backward, ignorant and redneck – a stereotype Tasmania shares with many other “edge” communities nationally and beyond, and here supported by the tough socio-economic portrait I’ve sketched above – its inhabitants are characterised by tolerance as much as uncertainty, “which could be employed to make Tasmania a place of gracious debate.” That could lead to a revival of Tasmania as a leader in democratic dialogue and indeed civil society, faithful to the spirit of the legacy of nineteenth century Tasmanian democrat Andrew Inglis Clark, a founding father and drafter of the Australian Constitution.
Third, correct all those corrections by cultivating an attitude of generosity, that keeps space open for the human quirks that do make this place different and special. As Leonard Cohen wrote, “there is a crack in everything – that’s how the light gets in.” I know no other place where a pillar of the establishment takes such delight at reciting James McAuley poems by heart over lunch; where a university professor rings around every bookshop in town to locate a rare-as-hen’s-tooth copy of Lloyd Robson’s A History of Tasmania (1983) just so I can fix a footnote; where American punk cabaret performer Amanda Palmer performs her song “Map of Tasmania” (referencing “vajazzled” female genitalia) on the MOFO stage and YouTube, without anyone here necessarily blanching, now; and where I can rely on my neighbours to take the time to chop my wood, bring me homegrown flowers and cook hand-caught squid for dinner.
When I ask award-winning tourism entrepreneur Brett Torossi, who grew up in western Sydney, why she keeps bothering with and investing in Tasmania, she answers with simplicity: “I love this place and all the gentle, crazy, and amazing people.” At the end of even the darkest and most difficult Tasmanian day, I have to agree.
You can read the whole series here.
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
Oh dear, Lara Giddings is a victim, proof positive of the insular backward nature of Tasmanian society. Whatever next?
Matthew Thredgold
Software Engineer/Secondary Teacher
"I can rely on my neighbours to take the time to chop my wood" - There's one reason Tasmania's economic development is hampered. It has the most polluted air of any state because of its over-reliance on wood for heating and those awful forestry burns.
As a result I don't live in Tasmania,and just use it as a summer playground for hiking in when it is too hot to hike on the mainland.
Trevor S
Jack of all Trades
Soooo.. let me get this straight, you expend quantities of CO2 so you can hike and then castigate those who perhaps don't, for burning wood. There may be something to the meme that the holocaust of climate change is because the populous can't smell or see CO2. Do you not understand the environmental impact that your actions are having on the Planet ? Nearly every climate paper here screams loudly about CO2 production being the main cause of the climate change problem, with even a 2 degree change…
Read moreMatthew Thredgold
Software Engineer/Secondary Teacher
Yes, wood smoke is toxic. An inescapable scientific fact that is one reason Tasmania is economically backwards as it discourages people, like me, who would otherwise settle there.
An annual flight for an annual holiday after working hard all year doesn't strike me as too selfish. Eco-nazis be dammed. The Tasmanian tourism industry is one thing it's economy does have in its favour. It's a nice place to go in Summer, pity about the rest of the year.
And one of the nice things about Tasmania is that campfires are banned over the bits of the state where I go hiking, because of the peat soils, so I don't have to share it with people who think campfires are necessary for camping. (Although camping anywhere where it is necessary to hike in get's rid of the moron element anyway).
Please don't pretend that you are self-rigtheously green and then go and fill the local air with toxic wood smoke pollution.
John Newlands
tree changer
It's possible that far from being apathetic that Tasmanians can't believe their luck. WA Premier Barnett calls Tasmania a mendicant state. It's only a matter of time before the Chinese stop buying iron ore and the WA wheatbelt turns to desert. Then see who is the beggar.
A source of great amusement are the notions that boat people housed at Pontville will settle here and that arty types who visit MONA will stay. Not so, as soon as they can get on that plane to Sydney they're out. That's just the way the locals like it.
Dale Bloom
Analyst
If someone travels to NZ, it seems to be in a similar situation to Tasmania, except in NZ they pay very low wages.
NZ seems to be more innovative than Australia in many ways, but the difference is the mining boom.
So NZ and Tasmania are like a vision of the future for mainland Australia eventually, compounded by an immigration rate developed by lunatics.
Don Aitkin
writer, speaker and teacher
I wrote a piece on my website last week about the need to recognise that when we make judgments they contain implicit comparisons (www.donaitkin.com). This essay is a great example. Is there anything special about Tasmania? Just listing events and incidents does not answer the question. My guess is that you could do the same job on anywhere in Australia, and that in fact there isn't anything special about the State. There are nasty (and uplifting) stories everywhere.
Susan Ruthenbeck
Luftmensch
Quite so, South Australia has it's fair share of all of these kinds of high and low lights.
The issue at large for Australia, illustrated here by Tasmania, is that innovation and manufacturing are in serious trouble. Private enterprise, most notably small to medium business growth and development are crucial for a sustainable economy. Getting this right will lead to less welfare dependence and a reduction of the mono-cultural influence produced by high public sector employment.
Tasmania has lots of good stuff - these are the things to promote! Focussing on the dark recesses of the past will not inspire the present or even a brighter future.
All of Australia needs to get a handle on the great things that we have. Travel to other places inside and outside of Australia engenders this appreciation, as well as enabling people to bring ideas back with them.
Michael Hay
retired
Susan, It seems to me that Australia's big problem is that it has no control over the status of its currency. If only our politicians could devise a way in which Australia could dictate that its dollar was worth (say) 85 cents to the USA dollar, all those manufacturers and producers of export goods would be back in a flash - big ones and small ones, car makers and quilters. Trouble is that no-one wants to recognise the problem. Even the finance commentators on TV talk of the "Dollar took a blow - down to 102 cents'. Oh that it could drop a further 20 cents and inspire our country to become a land of entrepreneurs.
Felix MacNeill
Environmental Manager
But Don, if you took that argument to its conclusion, you really could never write anything about anywhere.
I don't think Natasha failed to acknowledge that most of the things she talked about were not unique to Tasmania, while still pointing out a few particularly salient issues.
Surely the useful thing is to try to identify the nasty things in a particular place so they can be dealt with, and to identify the local strengths, so they can be celebrated and built on.
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
There are two things a government can do with a currency, peg it, or float it.
In our wisdom we have chosen the latter.
Now we make or manufacture less than what we once did, and it gets less by the day.
Ask the farmers. Our processed or value added food industry continues to decline as we import more.
Our dairy industry is on its knees, yet we import vast amounts of dairy produce from NZ.
Heinz has just moved to NZ...need I go on?
If you drill down into Tasmanian agriculture you will find they have suffered more than most from food processors moving 'offshore'. And I don't mean to the mainland.
One day, we might, just might, get a government that understands and is prepared to do battle with those who control 80% of the retail food trade and sell milk at $1L (less than water and cola) and that that price is unsustainable for farmers, there might be a glimmer of hope.
Michael Hay
retired
Roger, Keating floated the Oz dollar because President Nixon unilaterally disbanded the Bretton Woods Agreement a few years before ( early 70's ?) . While the Agreement stood, USA dollar was the base onto which all other currencies attached themselves, Aus dollar was ( I think) 57 cents.
Read moreHowever, those circumstances were some 40 years ago and the rise and rise of the financial behemoths has completely altered the level of control which any country in the world has over its own financial destiny…
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
Michael,
Couldn't agree more. I'm old enough to have seen it all happen. I am also old enough to have seen Australian agriculture become dependent on imported inputs from machinery to fertilizer to seed. So we are now, virtually totally reliant on OS manufactures.
Now to add insult to injury almost all of our grain, beef and dairy processors all owned by OS companies.
The real irony is that the AWB is owned by Cargill. Cargill export I believe, 20% of all the grain exported from the US, who are of course the biggest grain exporter in the world.
Let's face it, we have lost control and Tasmania has lost control more than most, but we are doing our best to catch up on the mainland.
robin linke
stamp dealer
Michael, Like Pauline Hansen, I run a small business and have no tertiary education, but like Pauline Hansen I believe I have a diploma of common sense.
Read moreAustralia has not had a trading surplus since 1973. We have a cumulative trillion dollar trading debt, so we need to borrow money and that means we have to pay high interest rates to buyers of the $AUS. Peg the $AUS and money would flood out.
Unlike Australia, Singapore is a sovereign wealth country, does not need o'seas money, and devalued 25…
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
I think the quote was 'Lehman and their ilk.' I was aware of the fate of Lehman Bros, yet and it's a big yet, I believe those who were rescued by the Fed in the States, with borrowed money, still prosper. It was the rest of what Michael wrote, with which I have some sympathy.
It looks like you and he agree with regard to power.
robin linke
stamp dealer
I agree the Aussie $ is a major problem, but we have no one to blame but ourselves. We have not had a current account surplus in our trading account since 1973, not even with WA contributing 45% of exports.Consequently we have an international trading debt if well over one trillion $ .
Read moreEach day 21,000 Aussies board a plane to go overseas, 90% for tourism & pleasure, involving buying foreign exchange. 10% leave to do business. Exports and new industries depend on our business men & women but they…
Michael Hay
retired
Not from me Robin Linke. I certainly shall reply - albeit I might be the only one!
Read moreI put up a proposal, which engenders smart-alec replies confirming that few of our countrymen and women have the capacity to actually think seriously enough about a new idea to make it feasible - just a bunch of Ozzie Knockers.
The proposal was to build catchments north of the Tropic of Capricorn and to channel to water through huge PIPES in a southerly direction - probably from a cut in the Barkly Tableland - in…
Mark Tremble
logged in via Facebook
I don't know that "intervention" is the most appropriate term, given the last intervention ended in genocide?
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Firstly I'd say - Get Over The Past...........Looking through a glass darkly only serves to re-invigorate the dark histories that abound not only in Tasmania but everywhere.
It's like the Jews replaying the holocaust over and over, supposedly to serve as a lesson to humanity......only it hasn't. And in this regard I also remind that many more millions of lives were lost in the horrors of the Belgian Congo and in Stalinist Russia - but I digress.
I would also suggest that areas in Westerns Sydney and perhaps Melbourne have huge social and economic problems that may be far greater than Tassies.
And from history it would seem that corruption in law and order in Western Australia has flown under the radar for yonks.
So by all means pick on Tasmania, but not as an isolated pocket of crime and corruption, but a part of the whole.
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Oh Dear silly me - I forgot the crime and corruption centre of Australia's universe - NSW.
From the convict days to well probably a minute ago, we have the AAA rated state..........
Anne Roberts
No job title
From the comments so far, you chaps wouldn't recognise a cri de coeur if you fell over one.
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
yes, some of the comments are churlish and betray ignorance of the things that make Tasmania both special and absolutely normal.
Venise Alstergren
Venise Alstergren is a Friend of The Conversation.
photographer, blogger.
Well said, Anne.
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Anne
Not too sure what your point is, but as Don A indicates - you can't isolate Tassie in the points that were brought up in the article. It (the article) seems like a broad swing at a few things that need attention in the Apple Isle, where like everywhere else thing aren't apples.
And if you're after a cri de coeur, try the living standards of Aborigines in the N.T.
Roger Davidson
Student
Well, you must admit - that painting was done to get a reaction. Trolling Tasmanians is like shooting fish in a barrel
Yoron Hamber
Thinking
Don't find it trolling? Well maybe, if the epithet includes crude mean sensationalism? That one must have been a tragedy.
Max Hamilton
Retired publisher
"One point of Tasmania’s difference, however, is that when abuse manifests in this small, tight and “sticky” community, it can be unusually visible, intense and damaging to those on the receiving end."
e.g. Richard Butler
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Seamus - we're all special in our own way.
I hope you realise that we love Tassie...............and think it's unfair to pick on just it.
Given the climate change scenario, Tassie is going to be the last place on the way to an unfrozen Antarctica - we'll all be living there sooner or later.
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
yep, I've got my 6 acres under a mountain.... waiting for me when the victorian summers get too unbearable.
john tons
post graduate student
The weakness in the piece is that the focus is Tasmania. Much the same could be said and written about Australia or indeed about any other place on the planet. Just as Tasmania is used in marketing research to test products and ideas for short comings - we can use Tasmania as a demonstration of shortcomings in the way this country is being governed; the weaknesses that are so obvious in Tasmania are merely disguised on the mainland - by al means intervene in Tasmania and attempt to get it right there - we may well come up with a solution for the problems that we face nationally.
Peter Ormonde
Peter Ormonde is a Friend of The Conversation.
Farmer
I reckon Stephen King invented Tasmania ... wrote the history ... a majestically gothic novel of a place and yes pervaded by dark deeds and secrets. Gormenghast on the Derwent.
Desperately needs a Secret River I think - something to lay it all out in the light.
Jane Rawson
Editor, Energy & Environment at The Conversation
How about Rohan Wilson's "The Roving Party"?
Seamus Gardiner
Citizen
yeah peter, Tasmania was under martial law for three years during the non-war with the tasmanian Aboriginals. certainly enough 'dark deeds' to write a book about.
read Boyce's excellent history .... 'Van Dieman's Land' I think it's called.
Yoron Hamber
Thinking
:) in a way you are most poetic.
Peter Ormonde
Peter Ormonde is a Friend of The Conversation.
Farmer
Haven't read the Roving Party - will track it down. But there's a big difference I think between writing the history and writing a Secret River - making it live and breathe - more real than the simple facts of history. A real classic that.
I remember reading a poster that consisted of 30 or so convicts' photos from Port Arthur with a brief outline of the crimes that got them there. The most striking features were the high proportion of folks with an obvious mental disorder or disability, the second was the nature of the crimes themselves - heavy emphasis on rather ugly sexual stuff... daughters through to animals and everything in between. Didn't expect that.
A most awful debased place. Full of the most awful debased people.
Iain Brown
Retiree
A couple odd points about Tassie is that it has the coldest climate but has the lowest take-up of ceiling insulation. It seems to be a case of throwing another log on the fire. Interestingly,a third of the homes are owned by Mainlanders. I do not know if there is any connection between the two.
Despite the charm I do not know why migrants never venture south.I wonder if we could ever devise a monetary exchange where the A$ Dollar in Tassie is linked to the New Zealand dollar. I thought the best thing that Tassie did in recent times was host the families of Bosnians during the Balkans war. Ever one benefited.
Roger Davidson
Student
Do you have a source for your claim that a third of homes are owned by mainlanders?
Lisa Taylor
Workforce Demographer and PhD student at University of Tasmania
Does Tasmania need an intervention?
Yes, an abolition of negativity.
Just not helpful. There are many good things about the state that are worth nurturing, supporting and recognising.
imogen birley
logged in via Twitter
As others have already partially touched on, this article reminds me of the Tolstoy quote about every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
Every nation state and every Australia state has its own similar-but-unique violent past. This is not to downplay Tasmania's, or the things that make it specific to the state; and it is important to understand the past.
However as a Tasmanian I'm at the point where I feel like articles like this, specifically its opening frame, are at strong risk of…
Read moreSteve Drummond
Retired (self funded)
Those with get up and go, got up and left (Tasmania).
Still, it's an interesting place to visit if you like to observe stagnant social development and culture.
Roger Davidson
Student
It's always been that way. The young people should, need and have to leave our shores to expand. They can always come back many years later (and many do)
Kris McCracken
logged in via Facebook
What is it about articles concerning Tasmania that provokes crude and offensive generalisations?
Greg Farquhar
Software engineer
If we want forests we will need those awful forestry burns.
Why do we need business growth why not just private enterprise and business.
I live and work in Tasmania because I prefer a lack of growth. Business should come and go similar to us. We do not need business growth in the same manner as we do not need population growth. If you want growth go to the western suburbs of Sydney.
Matthew Thredgold
Software Engineer/Secondary Teacher
Only if you bad forestry practices.
Michael Bolan
Systems practicioner
The lack of a Bill of Rights for Australians leaves all of us exposed to petty tyranny from whatever frustrated sociopath can scramble into a position of power, no matter how petty.
A Bill of Rights delivers a basic standard to which government services must operate, without it there is no standard, only a 'what you can get away with' attitude.
The girl prostituted to 100+ men was in State care...clearly the State is not a fit and proper parent but the 'what you can get away with' principle…
Read moreBernie Masters
environmental consultant at FIA Technology Pty Ltd, B K Masters and Associates
How can a 'redneck' state consistently elect ALP-Green governments which, to honour their electoral supporters, must maintain their anti-every-proposed-development attitude. Tasmania has been so anti-development for so long that it has attracted new residents holding this attitude from elsewhere in Australia and overseas. Things have then become self-perpetuating and suddenly, 20 or 30 years down the track, we express mock surprise when we find that we have social and economic problems because the environment has been given an overwhelmingly unrealistically important position in the state.
A diverse economy which includes mining, forestry and industry in general will create the financial ability for the state to provide the range of services that its citizens deserve. Pretty simple, really, but wait for the zealots to come out of the woodwork (out of the forests, actually!) and repeat their anti-development mantra.
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Michael
The U.S. has a Bill of Rights.........now hasn't that worked well!!!!
NOT
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Well gollee gee Bernie................."redneck"?
Look at the welfare bastions of the mainland states and it will make Tassie seem a progressive paradise.
And let's face it, no-one will ever make YOU live there........so what if it becomes the "anti-development" state.
Might be a reason I would want to live there.
Greg Farquhar
Software engineer
Hear, hear, hear. Simply the reason why I live here.
Bernie Masters
environmental consultant at FIA Technology Pty Ltd, B K Masters and Associates
To Stephen and Greg, I have no problem with you choosing whatever lifestyle you wish to enjoy. But I object when the collective 'you' - meaning the Tasmanian government and interest groups - expect virtually unlimited and unconditional financial support from states like Qld and WA which are producing the minerals, timber and other products which pay the taxes which in turn fund the federal government sufficiently to hand over an unreasonably generous share of GST revenues to anti-development states like Tasmania.
Tasmania should accept its moral responsibilities. If it wishes to live a non-exploitative lifestyle, it should accept lower government expenditures and not bleat to the media and to Canberra about how terrible things are in Tassie.
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
Colleagues and I would be pleased to learn from you -
1. What is the purpose of Universities getting involved in political speculation?
2. Who pays for this effort ( including a dissection by Party)
3. Whether said Universities/people claim special expertise, if so, what?
4. Whether there is more important and relevant work to be done at Universities. We live in a democracy where the aspirants for office are responsible for expressing their strengths and incentives. Some would say that attempts to misrepresent the aspirations of candidates, by accident or intent, are not strictly cricket.
5. Have you ever heard of Andrew Jaspan and The Conversation Media Trust? Have you ever been directed by that group to pursue a particular line of political comment? If so, have you ever received public money for any comment?
Jane Rawson
Editor, Energy & Environment at The Conversation
Hi Geoffrey, this might help:
https://theconversation.edu.au/who_we_are
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
Jane, after some more digging, I find your reference notable for what it does not say, but could.
What are your answers to question 5?
Do you consider it an acceptable use of public funds to provide a forum for people, just because they hold university office, to express personal views that are sometimes extreme and sometimes demonstrably wrong?
Would you not think that the public is entitled to forms of quality control and accountability?
Again, what was the most fundamental purpose for setting up this blog? Was it the accurate dissemination of a high level of knowledge by people expert in the field, or was it to allow some such people a forum to shout down the efforts of so-called sceptics? It's reading like the latter.
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
Make it a National Park.
Problem solved.
Venise Alstergren
Venise Alstergren is a Friend of The Conversation.
photographer, blogger.
ROGER CROOK: Exactly!
Another idea-given the fact that there are so many government employees in Tasmania-why not move Canberra to Tassie? That way they'd be out of our hair. It would merely be a case of shifting the inhabitants of one island, the ACT, to another island, Tasmania.
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Hello Jane
I'd be interested to know if you and you colleagues are "happy" with the flow of replies from say the likes of me (and others).
Do you welcome the opinions of the "everyday" person as opposed or in conjunction with to the EXPERT or scholar.
I like to think I can put forward intelligent (mostly) opinions, and even the odd unintelligent ones.
Has The Conversation lived up to expectations?
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Hi Bernie
IF W.A. were a separate country (and some there may wish it) I could understand you basic argument.
But as it IS a state of Australia, then presumably the wealth contained within its borders is Australian.
If we are a nation then surely we ALL stand together. As John Donne eloquently put it-
"ask not for whom the Bell tolls".
If little ol' Tassie needs a helping hand, we should all be there to give it.
Its not them and us - its all US.
If W.A. feels aggrieved by the rest of us living off the boom, then perhaps they might start a seccessionist movement. But then they would need a migrant workforce to keep up production - look at the trouble they cause!!!!!!
Bernie Masters
environmental consultant at FIA Technology Pty Ltd, B K Masters and Associates
In theory, I agree with you, Stephen, but all the states and territories must also accept their responsibility to do as much as is reasonable to make our federation work. That means not spending unwisely and not being so anti-development that state-generated income is lower than it could or should be.
Read moreUnfortunately for your argument, when the Australian federation was formed in 1901, the states were given ownership of the mineral wealth so technically the wealth within their borders is not Australian…
Lisa Taylor
Workforce Demographer and PhD student at University of Tasmania
governments have two responsibilities - income generation from taxes and the like in order to fund the provision of public services. Since the introduction of the GST states have few direct sources of income (payroll, land taxes, stamp duties, car registrations and of course mining royalties). Therefore those states not endowed with rich resources have less sources from which to draw direct revenue. On the other side of the coin, expenditure on public services is determined by the population it…
Read moreStephen John Ralph
carer
Thanks Bernie...............
when you say "anti-development" are you speaking in general, or do you have specific detail as to where and why Tassie is anti-dev. I can understand Gunns, because that was an environment issue at heart (so I believe).
Isn't it fair to have a state that "belongs" to the nation that preserves a certain undeveloped ethos. This would allow for ALL Australians the opportunity to go and live there - either permanently or temporarily. It could be a home away from home, where miners and families could take a break from those big holes and all that dust and heat.
Must Tasmania be MADE to develop industries - its only small and the pollution hasn't got far to go.
Bernie Masters
environmental consultant at FIA Technology Pty Ltd, B K Masters and Associates
Here's my list of projects which were scuttled by anti-development Tasmanian governments or strongly objected to by many/most Tasmanians (although I don't agree that they all should have proceeded, however):
Lake Pedder hydro power
Gordon below Franklin
Gunns pulp mill
native forest timber extraction in general
mining in the Tarkine (all 3 proposed projects, I believe)
Dans Hill nickel mine
Stratford Coal Mine
Tasmania has also led the charge against the use of 1080 poison and I understand the anti-duck hunting movement is quite strong.
Karsten Mohr
Cat Herder
Your Tarkine comment is incorrect, there is an active mine and dozen exploration licenses for the Tarkine at the moment.
Phil Dolan
Viticulturist
Tasmania is a special place. Why would you want to make it just like any other? We can develop, but hopefully not by ripping the place to pieces.
Irrigation schemes are going ahead and last year Tasmania was named the second beset place in the world after China to invest in the wine industry.
The outlook is good but it's not a tomorrow thing. I prefer Darwinian development, not creationist.
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
At one stage the company that paid my salary employed about 7% of the Tasmanian workforce.
Our biggest problem was continual interference run by people who do not understand management on this scale. Goodbye Wesley vale Pulp mill proposal, goodbye to promising mining land in the S-W wet desert, goodbye to much industry from failure to solve the Bass Strait transport problem.
As a company, we could not make Tasmania develop industries despite holding in excess of a billion dollars to start the process.
Good luck to anyone who follows. Even the much vaunted world heritage areas did not have a golf course last time I checked.
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
Phil, why not go the whole hog and volunteer for a year in the Antarctic? You could go for some really cool weather white grapes there, make tankers of it to distribute as an acknowledged poison all over the world. Have you any idea of the harm that wine causes? Some ideologist you are.
robin linke
stamp dealer
I have rarely read so much pessimism and negativity! No wonder Tasmania is a mendicant State. What you people need are jobs! Jobs! Jobs! You have the resources but don't use them. When you are offered a new industry like a world class paper and pulp mill you force it off shore. You can double your hydro electric output, clean the air & set up new energy intensive industries & export energy to Victoria..
Read moreBelgium is 40% the size of Tasmania, has seven nuclear power stations with Antwerp the biggest…
Gordon Angus Mackinlay
Clinical Psychologist
Having just come back from a quick visit to TAS, this message of doom and gloom amuses me. The endpiece "even the darkest and most difficult Tasmanian day" does not in my personal experience and opinion affect the vast majority of TAS people. They would be as disgusted as the writer with her trip down memory lane.
My first experience of the Isle was in the immediate aftermath of the horrendous fires of 1968, which the one of JAN 2013 pales in insignificance (except for the poor sods affected…
Read moreJoanna Mendelssohn
Program Director, Art Administration, School of Art History and Art Education at University of New South Wales
I've been visiting Tasmania on and off since the early 1970s. Overwhelmingly the changes I've observed in this time have been positive. Despite the old trogdolytes, the pure air and pristine wilderness is now recognised as one of the world's great assets. Food has changed beyond belief. I remember a meal in a country pub in 1973 when the proprietor proudly declare the peas came from her kitchen garden. Sadly she had boiled them to destruction. Now, it seems as though every little town has a cafe…
Read moreGeoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
So what happened to the famous "Apple Isle"?
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
While the suppression of the customers of the child prostitute was disgraceful, I don't think this a problem just of Tasmania - it would have been covered up in every state. Perhaps the fact that it was partially exposed points to the comparative open nature of Tasmania.
Read moreAt the moment there is controversial murder conviction in Hobart regarding a person who went missing from a boat. The police seemed to have forced a conviction by twisting people's arms to change their testimony. One of the unexplained…
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
What on earth has what you have to do with the topic?
Goodness me moderators, where are you?
Roger Crook
Retired agribusiness manager & farmer
Should have read, 'What on earth has what you have written, to do with the topic?'
Oh, for the facility to edit, or concentrate!
Geoff Rollins
logged in via Twitter
A somewhat bizarre and wholly disappointing article, seemingly constructed to ride on the coat-tails of the West essay.
The opening paragraphs focus on any act of depravity, as if to imply that Tasmania is alone in incidences of horrific crime. This approach adds nothing to the intelligent points raised by West, and is lazy, pointless sensationalism. The same approach could be taken with any state of territory in this country, and of virtually any other country in the world.
Following this, Cica goes on for a while with some society name dropping, and then slips in a bourgeois ripper: "All Tasmanians should spend a slice of their life finding a way and earning a living offshore...".
Summary: lazy; out-of-touch; offers nothing.
Brendan Stuart
logged in via Facebook
people like to ignore Tassies darkside but we keep being affected by it . The recent bushfires are a direct result of the destruction of aboriginal culture.Some of our famous sea trading captains when whaling and sealing was quiet ,plundered South Sea Island communities via blackbirding.4 to 5 generations later i have been to communities(in traditional villages in Tanna) where peole are still mourning theirfamilies disappearence and waiting for their descendents to return .More recently was the dumping of more then a million tons of zinc works toxins which shall impact on the quality of southern seas for centuries . Great idea to shine some light on Tasmania,s darkside and confront our inheritence.
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
Brendan, do you have a high quality publication, preferably with peer review, that examines the pathways, harms and benefits of the zinc to which you refer? Do you imagine it was just dumped, with no prior study?
brad duncan
director,creative technical
The biggest problem for Tassie is ..its an Island !!...It has a cost ....For visiting ...For Freight...for expansion....for entertainment...for moving to and from etc etc.
You can, if needed walk from Sydney to Perth ...but from Tas everything costs money.
It costs the average family...on standard sailing rates over $1000 to travel to and from Tas on TT Line and Business near $270 a metre to cross 200nm of water
Bring in a proper freight equalisation scheme and you WILL change the states industry and Tourism.
Our Federation declares free trade between all states ! ...Not Tasmania
Cameron Ritchie
Undergraduate Student
Many replies make note of the fact that by many of the measures in the article, you could say similar things about other states... and yes, many of our issues are the same kinds of issues faced by other states.
I would argue that's all very well, but part of the reason Tasmania is an interesting case is made quite succinctly in the second paragraph of Jonathan West's article in the new GriffithReview - Tasmania is arguably a microcosm, a 'region', and a state all at once, and I can think of several other ways to describe it in ways that set it apart from the rest of the country.
It may be a part of the whole, but with such a small population, geographical isolation, relatively low socio-economic performance and several other figures mentioned previously, I'd say Tasmania is pretty unique - and deserves this critical attention.
Michael Hay
retired
While Tasmania probably has need of industry and manufacture, it does have a better aspect. It is a place with a soul; it has time to think. Much better than the frantic 'get ahead' and 'win at all costs' attitudes in the larger mainland States.
If I wanted a peaceful existence, an unhurried reflective sort of existence, with time to take an active part in The Conversation, and time to think in a logical manner, then one could take up Gordon McKinley's suggestion of reducing the over-government, put up '12 good men and true' to run the joint and become a tourist mecca for worn-out business people - worldwide, what's more.
Geoffrey Harold Sherrington
Boss
Tasmania use to have a soul each year when the ALP national Conference was held at the casino.
That's a string of good words - ALP, Conference, casino. Now they just depose each other.
Stephen John Ralph
carer
Hi Cameron
too right .... that was my opinion from the beginning, and also many others I think.
Tasmania could well be the soul of Australia.........all this talk of dark history is nonsense. The world has a dark history and when you dig you find dirt.