Just over a year ago I was interviewed for an article here on The Conversation about the failed Palestinian bid for full member status of the United Nations. I pointed out that it was largely a symbolic move and little would change on the ground. I also mentioned that the two Palestinian factions, Hamas and Fatah, needed to get their own houses in order before they went to the negotiating table with Israel. Otherwise they just made it easy for Netanyahu to ignore them.
Well as one half of my family would say “Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.”
Sadly, the above points still hold true after the successful bid for an upgrade to Palestinian status in the UN. However, there has been a much greater shift in the views of the rest of the world. The fact that only nine states voted against the bid is a significant diplomatic victory for Mahmoud Abbas. Even key US allies voted for the motion or at the very least, abstained.
This depicts the US and Israel as very much swimming against the tide of world opinion.
But the thing is, they can.

The division amongst the Palestinians and the continued use of Gaza to launch rockets into Israel means that Netanyahu can still shrug his shoulders when it comes to nutting out any lasting peace deal. “We don’t have a partner for peace” is the standard line. “We don’t negotiate with terrorists” is the other.
Meanwhile Israeli settlements, demolitions and ‘security corridors’ continue to carve up Palestinian land into a meaningless jumble of confetti. The map of the territories has started to look like it has been taken to by a kid playing with a hole puncher.
And it’s all about territory. The upgrade in the Palestinian status gives them reference as a ‘state’. But a state needs a defined area. The premise is that the 1967 ceasefire borders will be the basis for this demarcation, but the half a million Israelis who live within that boundary aren’t likely to be going anywhere soon. Giving up turf is also not a key vote winner for an Israeli PM facing elections in January.

There are those who have said that this week’s move in the UN by Palestine is unnecessarily provocative and could impede progress in negotiations with Israel. But the Palestinians would have been thinking “So what?” Their experience is that there never is any progress anyway and they had nothing to lose with this diplomatic play, a move that at least sets the groundwork for some discussion of borders.
For the ordinary Palestinians in Ramallah and Gaza, this victory for Abbas won’t mean a whole lot. They can take comfort in the fact that most of the world is with them. But they must still be dismayed (if unsurprised) that the parts of the world that really count haven’t changed their tune.
And I have the feeling that in another year’s time I will be back here again writing a sadly similar story.
Sean Lamb
Science Denier
I can't help feeling that an awful lot of geopolitical problems could be solved if only academics could get their act together. They could easily determine that Jerusalem was a fake constructed by the Emperor Justinian in order to cash in on the burgeoning late Roman tourist trade and the real site of Jerusalem was, I don't know, anywhere. How about the banks of the Ord river, which through the passage of time its original name Jordan was corrupted by losing its first and last consonant?
Surely if we can pretend to put a man on the moon, we should be able to manage this?!!
Mike Hansen
Mr
Close Sean. Was that a wild guess or is that whole denier thing a Poe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people#Other_possibilities
Robert Kelty
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Poor palestinians, since the late forties their land has been gradually whittled away to nothing.
If they were black they would be classed as worse off than the South Africans under apartheid.
Mike Hansen
Mr
Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid by former US President Jimmy Carter.
http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Peace-Apartheid-Jimmy-Carter/dp/1439559422/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
Spiro Vlachos
AL
Actually the Old Testament name for the area was Canaan, and Canaanites were black. They were eventually driven out by rival tribes, after which the Exodus of the Israelis to create what is now Israel. What is now called the 'west bank', are the lands of Judea and Samaria. Arabs did not enter the region until the seventh century AD. The word Palestine is the name used by the British when they had occupation of the land, it is not an Arabic name. It is a Greek word and referred to the Greek settlers in the lands of Judea and Samaria in about the twelfth century BC.
Gary Murphy
Independent Thinker
"Arabs did not enter the region until the seventh century AD..."
So they have been there for 1300 years. Are we supposed to wind the clock back 1300 years and ethnically cleanse the area?
Well - it is pretty obvious that that is what the fundamentalist religious crazies in Israel are trying to do. Slowly stealing the land and water of their neighbours and trying to force them out.
Hopefully recognising Palestine as a state will put pressure on Israel to start obeying international law.
Marilyn Shepherd
pensioner
Israel does not have a defined area and never has done so why do the Palestinians need one.
Fair dinkum, why are the bloviators bigots and tossers across the board and why they hell shouldn"t the Palestinians shoot at the frigging aggressive cowards across the border?
Why does everyone think the Palestinians are nothing, there are 5 million of them in their own land being tortured and abused by the world, only now most of the world will no longer tolerate it.
John Phillip
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Grumpy Old Man
More lies and bullshit from the looney anti-semitic corner. Get the arab world to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist and the problems will resolve.
John Phillip
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Grumpy Old Man
Marylin, I read this again and your ignorance and racism is boundless. Whatup - forgot to take your meds or is your antisemitism just getting the better of you again?
"tortured and abused by the world' - what a stupid stupid impossibly stupid thing to say.
Robert Kelty
logged in via Facebook
Just feel their resentment, personally I would like to see a ONE state solution then they could slug it out in parliament like the rest of us rather than on the streets but thats a naive thing to wish for.
Linus Bowden
management consultant
Does this means that the Splodies have been given the keys so they can extend their self-immolations from the sidelines; now they can get up and personal to the "international community"? Splodies Gangnam Style?.
Robert Heffner
Philadelphia Police Dept. - Analysis Unit
It is difficult to have sympathy for the Palestinians and their alleged leadership when you realize all of the opportunities for resolving this issue over the past almost 50 years. It reminds me of the talks between Britain and Rhodesia in the 70s when a settlement would have most likely produced a better result than what is now Zimbabwe if Smith and the Rhodesian Front would have stopped holding out for a better deal, as well as, failing to recognize the absurdity of their ever dwindling principled position.
Mike Hansen
Mr
You need to be a bit more specific about those opportunities Robert.
If someone took your block of land and then said let us settle this but you can only have some of your land back because we have built condos on the rest of it - I am not sure most reasonable people would see that as a opportunity to resolve the dispute.
The reaction of Israel to the UN vote was to announce the expansion of settlements on Palestinian land.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/world/middleeast/israel-moves-to-expand-settlements-in-east-jerusalem.html?_r=0
If you are going to judge the Palestinians, you should have a look at this map of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12218809
How much of their land should the Palestinians give up?
Russell Walton
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Retired
Robert Heffner,
What opportunities? It seems rather naive to assume that the Israeli government has ever negotiated in good faith, why would they? The idea that the Palestinians were to "leave" the future state of Israel was on the Zionist agenda from the start.
Without the morally bankrupt support of the Americans, Israel would never have been able to fight its colonialist war against the Palestinians.
Lynne Newington
Lynne Newington is a Friend of The Conversation.
Researcher
It was interesting to read the Vatican's response, ever the political opportunist, calling for "a guaranteed special status for Jerusalem" , already maintained as such by it's very nature as sacred by Israel, to Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
They also looked for "special guarantees" when Unesco granted world heritage toThe Church of the Nativity in Palestine city Bethlehem.
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Che Gorilla
Human Rights Activist
It really is past time for Israel to apply its clear prerogative under international law, move to protect the civil rights of all "Palestinians", especially the women, and annex the West Bank
,http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-one-state-solution.html
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Robert Kelty
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arabs are semitic
John Phillip
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Grumpy Old Man
Robert, you are correct when you state that the term 'semitic' includes arabs. However the term 'anti-semitic' refers to a hatred of the Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism). There is one regular contributor to these pages who has demonstrated their antisemitism and holocaust denial repeatedly in the past. If you follow this reference you can make up your own mind <http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7416&page=3> . It is an act of cowardice that this person's lies and distortions are allowed to sully these pages without at least some acknowledgement on their part of their ant-semitic, holocaust denialist views.
Linus Bowden
management consultant
Robert. Wrong. A whole "people' are not 'Semitic. Their language - Arabic' - is part of the Semitic family of languages, which includes Hebrew. You might as well call the English, Iranians, and Greeks, they are 'Indo-Europeans.' The people who coined the term "anti-Semitic" explicitly directed their hatred at 'Hebrews'.
Robert Jones
Retired
The land of Israel, right up to the Tigris and Euphrates was given to the Children of Israel by God. And there's no way that the people of present-day Israel are going to give up their birthright. The only way this is going to be settled. And we all know how. Armageddon. Bring it on.
Russell Walton
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Retired
Robert Jones,
Which god is that? The one that also gave the same land to the Moslems, Christians, Palestinians etc. This deity sounds like a complete scam artist, he's sold the same piece of real estate at least half a dozen times.
Robert Kelty
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Wishing for an end to all things is an ego's unwillingness to accept its own end.
Robert Kelty
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You cannot reason with hatred.
Russell Walton
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Retired
Spiro Vlachos
"Arabs did not enter the region until the seventh century AD."
Populations are rarely totally replaced by invaders, what occurred in Palestine, as in North Africa and other areas of the ME, is that existing inhabitants were Arabised and Islamised by the Arab ruling caste. Many people, currently living in Israel/Palestine would have lineages the originated in the Neolithic, whether they identify as "Arab" or "Jew".
Gary Murphy,
Agree entirely, whether 1400 years or 8000, the policies of the Israeli government are morally repugnant.
The history of humanity is a history of invasions and migrations, the notion that any ethic/religious group has a right to "re-occupy" its ancestral lands is chauvinistic nonsense.
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Baz M
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Wow that was a very comprehensive rebuttal. Than again sarcasm aside I don't blame you. You can't argue something when you have nothing righteous or moral to argue, hence oldest trick in the book, change subject or get personal. Good attempt ;)