Julia Gillard wins ALP leadership spill: expert reaction

Prime minister Julia Gillard has defeated Kevin Rudd in this morning’s leadership ballot by 71 votes to 31. Rudd has said he will not initiate a further challenge to the prime minister’s leadership, but has not ruled out being drafted by his parliamentary colleagues in future. The Conversation’s team…

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Gillard had strong support from caucus this morning. AAP/Alan Porritt

Prime minister Julia Gillard has defeated Kevin Rudd in this morning’s leadership ballot by 71 votes to 31.

Rudd has said he will not initiate a further challenge to the prime minister’s leadership, but has not ruled out being drafted by his parliamentary colleagues in future.

The Conversation’s team of political experts responds to the outcome of the spill.


Professor David Lowe, Director of the Alfred Deakin Research Institute, Deakin University

This is the kind of victory the Gillard camp had to have. The numbers suggest they’d be reasonably encouraged [by the result]. If it had been a slimmer margin, even slightly slimmer, you’d find a lot of people in the media talking about Rudd’s chances of challenging again. It’s a convincing victory – but only just.

Gillard has a chance to really relaunch herself because she and her supporters have managed a very strong narrative publicly that they’ve been hamstrung by Rudd’s undermining. Now she’s got this sense that provided Rudd will behave himself, and let’s assume that he’ll keep his word on that, she now has a chance to relaunch to the public in ways that show the “real Julia”.

In that sense, the relaunch provides her an opportunity. Given we’re so far out from an election, I think there’s still some grounds for optimism [for the ALP]. I don’t think [the ALP is] heading to oblivion. She can take heart from a small movement upwards in the opinion polls.

If you combine that with what is still a pretty good story about how Australia is faring economically in a time of global crisis, and all those other stories of good policy reform that they haven’t been able to sell well enough, and you can build that narrative into the relaunch, and if the “real Julia” can emerge a bit more unhindered by Kevin, then there is still a chance.

The other side of the coin is that those watching from the stakes will be watching very keenly, and the “Rudd excuse” may no longer be there.

The opposition will be carefully building well-designed hand grenades as we speak so they can try to make the government stumble. [Gillard’s] stumbles will be watched all the more closely from now on.

Dick Adams carries the ballot box this morning. AAP/Alan Porritt

Dr Mark Rolfe, Lecturer, UNSW

Everyone expected these sorts of numbers, but if we all predicted it why was everybody so nervous? And why were several ministers so vitriolic in their attacks on Rudd last week? We know there was something wrong with Rudd’s prime ministership but it seems like Gillard’s supporters were running so scared of him getting too many numbers, that they had to come out on the attack.

In that respect, the reaction now after the vote seems a bit too hopeful, a bit too much like trying to put the whole incident behind. But Rudd is not going to stop. We all know he’s a sort of determined, semi-psychopath so to speak.

Why would he suddenly give up? He certainly is going to give up on undermining Gillard publicly but it doesn’t mean he’s going to give up on putting himself out there. He can now write and broadcast in the media, he can tour seats of his supporters, generally putting his face out there.

In fact, it wasn’t in Rudd’s interest to win today. He doesn’t want to take over now, when it means of months and months of running government, which is after all, his weakest point and his popularity may tank again. So he only needs a short time to come back, show he’s popular, build Labor’s numbers up a bit after the carbon tax has been bedded down from 1 July.

This has always been his strategy.

Labor now may get some bump in the polls because Julia now seems to be more of her straight talking self. But it’s not going to radically restore the trust and credibility issue. Once a leader loses trust it’s very hard to restore.

But after all that’s happened the results of the polls on the weekend show the two party-preferred is still only 53 to 47 for the Coalition. Despite all that’s happened, there’s a softness in the coalition vote. The Liberal party should be in a great position like the Coalition up in Queensland where the two party preferred vote is 60 to 40. This softness is due to Abbott, as much as he has been this fierce campaigner, he’s really not much more popular than Gillard. Labor could use this if it got its act together.

Professor Carol Johnson, Professor of Politics, University of Adelaide

It is a very convincing win at 71 to 31, and it would have been 72 to 31 if a member hadn’t been off on maternity leave. But whether it will finally put [the leadership] to rest is another question.

I think one of the important issues to watch very carefully is what Kevin Rudd and his supporters say about the legitimacy of this vote. Bruce Hawker was suggesting beforehand that some MPs had been under pressure to vote for Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd has suggested that at times too.

There has still been a suggestion that the faceless men are pulling the strings and this may not be a full reflection of Labor politicians' true views. Why that is important is it feeds into the suggestion that Kevin Rudd is being illegitimately kept away from the prime ministership.

One of the key issues is whether he will acknowledge now that the problem has not just been the so-called “faceless men”, most of whom have not been faceless in this current round, but that the problem has always been that he also lacks the support of his parliamentary colleagues.

He had amazing popularity in the electorate, he could give quite brilliant speeches and at his best be inspiring and come across as a person who empathised with ordinary Australians but his fatal flaw was that his colleagues, the people he actually worked with, didn’t want to keep working with him and didn’t think he could manage the business of government.

The media throng following the ballot. AAP/Penny Bradfield

Julia Gillard and her supporters will now hope that her legitimacy as leader is well established where it hadn’t been after 2010.

I don’t think there’ll be a major relaunch of policy; the extraordinary situation this Labor government finds itself in is that their policies have actually been going very well. The economy has been going gangbusters. The Australian Labor government has one of the lowest proportions of government debt to GDP in the Western world.

What they need to do and what Gillard and Wayne Swan have been failing to do – that must be remembered, the weakness of this government isn’t just Julia Gillard – is that they’ve been failing to sell the success.

You have this disconnect. Many people in the Western world would love to be in a situation as healthy as Australia’s society and economy at present, but the government hasn’t been able to sell that to the public.

Dr Michael McKinley, Senior Lecturer, International Relations and Strategy, ANU

This is still not a good result for Gillard, around 30% of her caucus don’t want her and 55% of the population don’t think she’s up to it. You’d always take a greater than two thirds majority in any vote as a solid victory but the problem is we’re dealing with politics. And when you have around 30% of your caucus who think you’re on the nose you don’t have a recipe for healing.

When they talk about healing in politics, it’s bullshit. People in politics don’t heal, not in the short-term. They might in 20 or 30 or a couple of hundred years, but they don’t do it over a year.

For the rest of the week, we’ll have a lot of nonsense from both sides. Gillard will now say, “everyone is moving on to unity”, and you can believe that if you want to. The opposition will have an almost infinite supply of cheap shots which suggest the Labor party is unfit to govern. And the Labor party itself will be a party ravaged by fear of losing the next election, by a sense of impending doom.

[The leadership ballot] has done nothing to give them confidence and that means Labor will be trying to pretend that it can win the next election. Short of Tony Abbott being found in bed with a live man or a dead woman, they’re not going to make it.

[Labor] might get certain lifts in the polls and they may go up in the public estimation but they’ve basically got a very serious wound and it’s like having lost a limb. No matter what the party does, it’s going to have that whisper of defeat in its ear for the next 15 months.

Paul Strangio, senior lecturer in politics, Monash university

The numbers certainly suggest that this was a decisive victory. What it further indicates is that some of the claims from the Rudd camp about the numbers that he had behind him were significantly inflated and it also suggests that Rudd was unable to claim any momentum from the “people power” campaign that he ran last week.

I have always thought that a Rudd comeback was highly unlikely. All the indications are that he doesn’t have the base of support in caucus and the resentments towards are powerful.

In terms of where we go from here, this has obviously been a damaging time for the government. However, if there is a silver lining it is that the strong expression of party room support for Gillard might enhance her authority in the public’s mind and perhaps even been psychologically empowering for Gillard herself.

The caucus also showed it wasn’t going to be spooked by the opinion polls or swayed by the Rudd family’s “people power” campaign. My view is that there’s something encouraging about that and perhaps the Labor Party has learned some hard lessons from the whole Rudd phenomenon.

In facing down Rudd, Gillard also started to build a narrative of what the government has achieved under her leadership and it might in itself provide a turning point. Having said that, I think we have to be circumspect in our predictions about what lies ahead – and that also goes for the forecasts of certain doom for the government. This has been and is likely continue to be a volatile and unpredictable period.

Professor Brian Galligan, Professor of Political Science, University of Melbourne

It’s significant in that the vote has finally come about, and as was pretty universally predicted, Julia Gillard has won. But Kevin Rudd has got credible support. His main pitch all along was to reach beyond caucus – where he I presume knew he didn’t have numbers – to try to get some leverage because he’s way ahead of Gillard in public opinion polls.

The outcome is that the Labor caucus and the bulk of the ministers have remained behind the prime minister despite the public opinion polls showing they’re in a losing position.

It’s clearly settled for the time being but none of these things is settled permanently. Politics is volatile. Gillard and the Labor government can move on now and show that they’re genuinely focused on policy and bedding down some of the significant things they’ve been doing and, importantly, working out how they sell those to the Australian public.

But that’s the problem. It’s anomalous. If you go overseas people are surprised that Australian politics seems to be at such a low ebb when comparatively the economy is so strong and everything seems to be working well here. It’s a clumsy government that really can’t stay on top of that and turn it to its advantage.

I think Gillard really has to reunite the party and settle down these deep divisions now. She was one of those with Wayne Swan leading the field in the bitterly acrimonious, negative things said about Rudd, when she and the treasurer were right in there with Rudd [when he was prime minister]. Why didn’t they pull him into line then, why didn’t they counsel him to change?

Gillard has an ongoing basic trust issue with the Australian people. Why would you trust somebody like that? She really has to work at building that trust. The electorate is a bit turned off and part of that will be ensuring she has the support, at least overtly, of caucus.

But who knows? Kevin Rudd seems to have a popular spark. Despite all the negative things said about him by his colleagues about what a dysfunctional prime minister he was, he can go out there and get an enthusiastic popular response in a way that Gillard seems to struggle with. But she’s now in a strengthened position. She’s shown she’s got the solid support of the Labor party, they’re locked in behind her. Some might think they’re lemmings who are going to follow her over the cliff at the next election.

As the election comes close, then I think if her popularity [falls] and the government is not in a winning position there could be another attempt to change leaders.

More to come.

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  1. Marilyn Shepherd

    pensioner

    They claim it was disfunctional but he got policy changes for the better by not just bagging the opposition and working with some liberal senators in a hostile senate to get changes like:

    The end of TPV's, the end of the Pacific Solution (which Gillard is trying to reimpose but worse), the end of detention bills. Working with the enemy instead of the whining Gillard does is better and harder than working with mates in a soft senate.

    Gillard's only new policy in all this time has been the dirty…

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    1. Yuri Pannikin

      Director

      In reply to Marilyn Shepherd

      Yes, the Australian Lemming Party it is. If anyone thinks that the ALP can win an election when "any" leader plummets to 26% popularity, as Gillard is now, is living in a wonderland all of their own making.

      And I'm sure you will find that the current bounce in polls for the ALP is only a 'hope' bounce based on Rudd's aura. Let's see what the polls say in a few days. And I would remind Mark Rolfe that when Rudd was sacked in 2010, the polls were 52:48 in Rudd/ALP's favour. That's the most disgraceful and deceitful aspect of the Rudd dumping, and, I would say, compliance of the media, especially the ABC, for not pointing this out.

      The one positive aspect is, if Rudd hangs on until after the next election, that many of these ALP dunces will be gone, having disappeared up their own rhetorics.

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  2. Neil James

    Executive Director, Australia Defence Association

    In answer to the emotice, inaccurate and exaggerated claims of Marilyn Shepherd,

    No refugees were shot on Christmas Island. First, because the rioters were those asylum seekers whose claim for asylum had failed and therefore did not qualify as refugees. Second, because the AFP riot squad used tear gas and baton rounds (not bullets) to restore order during the riots.

    There are nine sound reasons for re-introducing TPVs to bolster the integrity of the Refugee Convention. These, and other facts…

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    1. Gideon Polya

      Sessional Lecturer in Biochemistry for Agricultural Science at La Trobe University

      In reply to Neil James

      Marilyn Shepherd has humanity and clarity. Sri Lanka is still suffering what has been termed a Tamil Genocide by outstanding international law expert Professor Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law (see "The Tamil Genocide by Sri Lanka. he Global Failure to Protect Tamil Rights Under International Law" by Francis A. Boyle: http://www.claritypress.com/Boyle-Tamil.html ). For the most graphic images of Sri Lankan war crimes see the Four Corners…

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  3. Lyn Gain

    Social science lecturer

    Mark Rolfe: "We all know he’s a sort of determined, semi-psychopath so to speak." I for one know nothing of the sort. I do know that Rudd was removed by stealth. I have seen absolutely no evidence that he leaked anything in the run up to the 2010 election. Neither he, nor his supporters, have joined in the collective vomit of the Gillard supporters in the current fiasco. My own view is that if they hadn't ditched him, Rudd would have led Labor to a narrow win in 2010. He was on a popular winner with the mining tax, now watered down by Gillard. I also had a sneaking suspicion at the time that he was in favour of on-shore processing of asylum seekers. We'll never know, but one thing I am fed up with is what everybody says 'we all know'.

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  4. Gideon Polya

    Sessional Lecturer in Biochemistry for Agricultural Science at La Trobe University

    Well said, Marilyn Shepherd. A major reason decent Australians have to choose between putting extreme right wing Labor last or the extreme right wing Coalition last after voting 1 Green is Mainstream media censorship.

    I posted the following comment on this article that exampled such censorship - but my post was censored by The Conversation (this is getting to be a routine occurrence):

    Pro-war, pro-coal, pro-gas, anti-environment, pro-Zionist and slavishly pro-US Gillard was instelled in June…

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  5. Carol Chenco

    Carol Chenco is a Friend of The Conversation.

    Research Officer

    Such hostility towards Labor and Gillard in particular. This increase of late in aggressive language many people seem to use to describe politicians reminds me of road rage - a complete hostile over-reaction at the expense of rational thought.

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  6. wilma western

    logged in via email @bigpond.com

    I'd just like to quote Anne Summers - "What does a girl have to do ?" It would be good if there was less group-think among poilitical pundits and among some academics as well.

    So Kevin's real plan was to let Gillard do all the hard yakka in getting the rest of Labor's initiatives through both houses and then grandly take over close to the normal election time ? How simply terrific. Truly grand strategy.

    I would also point to articles by James Button and Katharine Murphy that point out that Canberra press reporting of Rudd's prime ministership including his management of colleagues was far more kind than the reporting of Gillard's .

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  7. David Arthur

    n/a

    Do we KNOW that Rudd leaked information during the last Federal election campaign?

    The UK sister organisation of one of Australia's major media organisations is under investigation for, and has already paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation for, phone hacking.

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