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Michelle Grattan, Chief Political Correspondent at The Conversation, talks politics with politicians and experts.

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Politics podcast: the Greens' Jordon Steele-John on being an 'accidental' senator

Greens Jordon Steele-John on being an ‘accidental’ senator

New Greens senator Jordon Steele-John is the youngest person ever to sit in the Senate. He was sworn in this week with two other "accidental" senators who gained their seats from the citizenship crisis. He talks to Michelle Grattan about coming to Canberra for the first time since he was a baby, his political passion, and his commitment to promote his causes: youth and disability issues.

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: swinging into the Sunshine State's election

Politics podcast: swinging into the Sunshine State’s election

The pundits are reluctant to place bets on who will win Queensland's November 25 election. Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk and Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls both carry a good deal of baggage. A lot of attention is focused on Pauline Hanson's One Nation, which has been polling strongly and might end up holding the balance of power in the new parliament. The Adani coal mine project has been centre-stage…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Kevin Rudd on avoiding Donald Trump

Politics Podcast: Kevin Rudd on avoiding Donald Trump

Not For The Faint-Hearted, the first volume of Kevin Rudd's massive autobiography, is out, and the former prime minister is on the publicity circuit. Rudd now spends much of his time in the US, where he is president of the Asia Society Policy Institute in New York, and keeps a close eye on the unfolding Trump presidency. He argues Australia should minimise direct engagement with Donald Trump in favour…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Energy Security Board chair Kerry Schott on a national energy plan

Politics podcast: Energy Security Board chair Kerry Schott on a national energy plan

The government's long-awaited energy plan rejected Chief Scientist Alan Finkel's clean energy target, which focused on subsidies for renewables, in favour of a National Energy Guarantee. The government has promised affordability and reliability, as well as compliance with Australia's international climate obligations. Energy Security Board chair Kerry Schott headed a group of energy experts charged…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Tiernan Brady and Cory Bernardi reflect on the marriage postal ballot

Politics Podcast: Tiernan Brady and Cory Bernardi reflect on the marriage postal ballot

There are still a few weeks left to run in the same-sex marriage postal ballot campaign, and millions of votes are yet to be returned – or not returned. With 67.5% of ballots now in, Equality Campaign executive director Tiernan Brady says the high turnout shows the importance of a "yes" vote to people’s lives and dignity. He says tyranny of distance in Australia has made campaigning difficult, compared…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Gareth Evans on being an Incorrigible Optimist

Politics Podcast: Gareth Evans on being an Incorrigible Optimist

This podcast is a recording of an In Conversation with Gareth Evans, former foreign minister and currently chancellor of the Australian National University, which took place on October 12 in Canberra at a dinner of university chancellors from around Australia. The occasion was hosted by University of Canberra Chancellor Tom Calma in collaboration with ANU. Evans talks with Michelle Grattan about his…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Darren Chester on the infrastructure spending spree

Politics Podcast: Darren Chester on the infrastructure spending spree

Jokes about the satirical program Utopia aside, managing the rollout of infrastructure programs in Australia is a formidable task. Infrastructure Minister Darren Chester says there is too much hyper-partisanship in Australian politics. "I think that the tone of debate in Australia has deteriorated in recent years and we've shown ourselves incapable of having a good, rational debate on significant issues…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Rob Sitch on Utopia and political satire

Politics Podcast: Rob Sitch on Utopia and political satire

Canberra politics often seems beyond satire. So it's perhaps not surprising that Working Dog's TV show Utopia has more than once foreshadowed reality in its hilarious depictions of life in a federal authority. Rob Sitch, Utopia's co-writer and star, says he's had no need to draw on covert leaks and insights from bureaucrats for material. "90+% of what we find is sitting in front of everybody. It's…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: AGL chief economist Tim Nelson on what to do with Liddell

Politics podcast: Tim Nelson on what to do with Liddell

In the eye of the storm over energy policy is Liddell, an ageing coal-fired power station owned by energy giant AGL. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has twisted the arm of AGL chief executive Andy Vesey to take to the company's board the proposition that it should extend the plant's life beyond its scheduled 2022 closure, or alternatively sell it to an operator that would carry it on. AGL chief economist…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Judith Brett on The Enigmatic Mr Deakin

Politics Podcast: Judith Brett on The Enigmatic Mr Deakin

It is popular to look at today's political challenges through the prism of prime ministers past. But when it comes to former liberal leaders it's usually Robert Menzies, not Alfred Deakin, who comes to mind. However, Judith Brett, emeritus professor of politics at La Trobe University and author, says we have much to learn from Australia's second prime minister. Her new biography, The Enigmatic Mr Deakin…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Mark Butler on energy uncertainty

Politics podcast: Mark Butler on energy uncertainty

Pressure is mounting on the government to put an end to energy uncertainty as an Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) report warns of looming power shortages over the next few years. Opposition climate change and energy spokesman Mark Butler has written about the toxic divisions on energy policy in his recent book, Climate Wars. He recognises there are challenges in the Coalition party room over…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Nick Xenophon on media reform

Politics podcast: Nick Xenophon on media reform

As the leader of a Senate crossbench party, Nick Xenophon's position on contentious legislation – currently media reform – is crucial for the government. He says it's "not for lack of trying" that the Nick Xenophon Team (NXT) has not yet reached an agreement with the government on media ownership rules. He is pushing for tax breaks for smaller organisations to promote media diversity. He also opposes…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Mathias Cormann on the same-sex marriage postal survey

Politics Podcast: Mathias Cormann on the same-sex marriage postal survey

When the government didn't get the numbers to pass legislation for a same-sex marriage plebiscite it put the wheels in motion for its second-best plan: a postal survey. Since announcing that the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) would be responsible for carrying out the postal survey, Acting Special Minister of State Mathias Cormann has had no shortage of questions from journalists and on social…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Derryn Hinch on surviving the Senate

Politics podcast: Derryn Hinch on surviving the senate

After spending a year immersed in the parliamentary machine, broadcaster-turned-senator Derryn Hinch is keen to see a more efficient Senate. His suggestions include shortening the length of speeches – and thus the opportunity for filibusters – and trimming supplementary questions. He's frustrated by the government's "Dorothy Dixers". "It's a waste of time," he says. As the debate around same-sex marriage…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Tiernan Brady on the same-sex marriage showdown

Politics podcast: Tiernan Brady on same-sex marriage showdown

The issue of same-sex marriage is derailing the government's attempts to promote its agenda, as tension mounts ahead of a special Liberal Party meeting on Monday and parliament's resumption on Tuesday. The executive director of The Equality Campaign, Tiernan Brady, a leader of the successful "Yes" campaign for same-sex marriage in Ireland, has been working with activists in Australia to get marriage…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Michael Cooney on an Australian republic

Politics podcast: Michael Cooney on an Australian republic

Malcolm Turnbull, perhaps Australia's best-known republican, declared himself "an Elizabethan" during his recent visit to London. Turnbull insists the quest for an Australian republic is on the backburner until Queen Elizabeth's reign ends. But Bill Shorten is pushing for an earlier timetable, as is the Australian Republic Movement (ARM). The ARM's national director, Michael Cooney, argues that becoming…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Peter Jennings on the home affairs department

Politics Podcast: Peter Jennings on the home affairs department

The new home affairs ministry announced by Malcolm Turnbull on Tuesday is considered by some experts to be unnecessary and potentially dangerous. The director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, Peter Jennings, says that while the department would present an array of bureaucratic challenges, it is largely a "sensible step". Likely benefits include the potential for a much-needed improvement…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Graeme Samuel on data governance

Politics podcast: Graeme Samuel on data governance

Many Australians are worried about the proliferation of data businesses and the government knowing too much about them. Data Governance Australia chairman Graeme Samuel hopes that a self-regulatory code of conduct will raise the standards among data-driven organisations. Despite the pervasiveness of data in our daily lives, he argues most people don't understand the extent to which organisations use…

2 Hosts: Michelle Grattan and Graeme Samuel

Politics podcast: Anna Krien on the climate wars

Politics podcast: Anna Krien on the climate wars

Melbourne-born author Anna Krien's latest Quarterly Essay explores the debates on climate change policy in Australia and the ecological effects of not acting. She interviewed farmers, scientists, Indigenous groups, and activists from Bowen to Port Augusta. She says climate change denialism has transformed into "climate change nihilism". Krien says the Finkel review provides another opportunity in a…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Gladys Berejiklian on the need to reform federal-state partnerships

Politics podcast: Gladys Berejiklian on the need to reform federal-state partnerships

New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian is alert to the challenge of operating in today's difficult electorate. "The digital age has brought a sense of empowerment. It's brought a sense of greater appreciation of democracy and the political process. And we need to not only respond to it, but adapt to that and make sure that we are listening during our term in office – not just at election time…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Alan Finkel on the future of Australia's energy market

Politics podcast: Alan Finkel on the future of Australia’s energy market

Despite the government still considering his proposal for a clean energy target (CET) – after endorsing his other 49 recommendations – Chief Scientist Alan Finkel is optimistic the CET remains firmly on the agenda. Finkel's challenging task has been to put forward a scheme to bring Australia's energy market into the future, providing certainty for investment and supply. His plan has required a balance…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Josh Frydenberg, George Christensen and Mark Butler on the Finkel review

Politics podcast: Josh Frydenberg, George Christensen and Mark Butler on the Finkel review

Malcolm Turnbull declared on Wednesday he'd "provided decisive leadership on energy". It is a claim perhaps better cast in the future tense. The debate over the Finkel panel's recommendation for a clean energy target (CET) is just beginning, and already it is clear that reaching an outcome that brings the certainty the business community needs to invest will be a hard slog for Turnbull, who will be…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: John Blaxland on handling Islamist terrorism

Politics podcast: John Blaxland on handling Islamist terrorism

Events in Britain, the New South Wales coroner's report on the Lindt Cafe siege, and a new attack in Australia have given a much sharper edge to the debate about how to handle Islamist terrorism. Amid the hype, ANU security expert John Blaxland provides a reality check. He says while there's an escalation of and change in the nature of terrorist attacks, collaboration between Australian police and…

2 Hosts: Michelle Grattan and John Blaxland

Politics podcast: Matt Canavan on Adani

Politics podcast: Matt Canavan on Adani

The Coalition has backed the Adani Carmichael coal mine but there's debate about assistance for the project, and argument about the jobs it would create in the region. Resources Minister Matt Canavan argues there's a role for the government to invest in large-scale infrastructure. He tells The Conversation this mine is only one part of a plan for "opening up the Galilee Basin" to provide investment…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan

Politics podcast: Chris Bowen on Labor's budget responses

Politics podcast: Chris Bowen on Labor’s budget responses

Labor has come under fire for some of its budget responses, including its opposition to the schools package, and only partial support for the Medicare levy increase. Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen rejects the government's argument about the schools plan being more "needs-based" than present arrangements. He tells The Conversation its "one-size-fits-all" approach will put pressure on families and the…

1 Host: Michelle Grattan