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Michelle Grattan, Chief Political Correspondent at The Conversation, talks politics with politicians and experts.

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Bridget McKenzie on the need for the Nationals to be noisy

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Bridget McKenzie on the need for the Nationals to be noisy

Bridget McKenzie is a cabinet minister and Nationals leader in the Senate. But her seniority hasn't inhibited her being one of her party's most outspoken advocates demanding protections for the regions before it signs up to the target of net zero emissions by 2050. In this podcast, recorded two days before the Nationals' meeting to consider the results of Barnaby Joyce's negotiations with Scott Morrison…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Phil Honeywood on the challenges of getting international students back

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Phil Honeywood on the challenges of getting international students back

COVID-19 has meant international students have been unable to arrive in Australia to commence their studies, devastating one of our most profitable sectors. We're joined in this podcast by Phil Honeywood, CEO of the International Education Association of Australia to talk about the impact of the pandemic on universities, students, and the economy – and the way forward. Honeywood says the data shows…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Mustering the government's rural rump into the 2050 tent

Word from The Hill: Mustering the government’s rural rump into the 2050 tent

As well as Michelle Grattan’s usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where all things political will be discussed with members of The Conversations’s politics team. In this week’s episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the tortuous negotiations with the Nationals over the…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Grattan Institute's Tony Wood on managing the shift in climate policy

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Grattan Institute’s Tony Wood on managing the shift in climate policy

The Morrison Government is in the painful throes of a climate policy shift to embrace a target of net zero by 2050, ahead of next month's Glasgow conference. This requires a deal with the divided, noisy, fractious Nationals. We're joined in this podcast by Tony Wood, Director of the Energy Program at the Grattan Institute, to talk about Glasgow, Australia's policy and the fallout from the necessary…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: A prime minister, a prince and the 'last chance saloon'.

Word from The Hill: A prime minister, a prince and the ‘last chance saloon’.

As well as Michelle Grattan’s usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where all things political will be discussed with members of The Conversations’s politics team. In this week's episode, they canvass Scott Morrison's signal he now does want to go to Glasgow, as even Prince Charles increases the pressure…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Former judge Stephen Charles slams government's integrity commission model

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Former judge Stephen Charles slams government’s integrity commission model

After Gladys Berejiklian's resignation over an investigation by the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC), the debate about the federal government's proposed – but weak – federal integrity commission is heating up. Stephen Charles, a former Victorian judge who is a director of the Centre for Public Integrity, says the Coalition should totally rework its draft model to give it real teeth…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Signs are Scott Morrison wants to avoid Glasgow

Word from The Hill: Signs are Scott Morrison wants to avoid Glasgow

As well as Michelle Grattan’s usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where all things political will be discussed with members of The Conversations’s politics team. In this week’s episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the dramatic changing of the guard in NSW and the fallout…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: The push to run independents on issues of climate and integrity

Politics with Michelle Grattan: The push to run independents on issues of climate and integrity

With the 2022 election looming, local activists are mobilising in many government seats to sponsor independent candidates. The push – stronger and more organised since the 2019 election – is driven especially by concerns about climate change and integrity issues, as well as the general declining faith in the major parties, There will be substantial money and campaigning help for the more viable independent…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: Coalition free-for-all over 2050 target

Word from The Hill: Coalition free for all over 2050

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society Senior Deputy Editor Justin Bergman and Michelle canvass the internal brawling that's happening – which has included Nationals minister Bridget McKenzie attacking treasurer…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: British High Commissioner Vicki Treadell on AUKUS and climate change

Politics with Michelle Grattan: British High Commissioner Vicki Treadell on AUKUS and climate change

The New AUKUS security agreement has bound Australia even more tightly to the United States and Britain. But it has brought blowback against all three countries from France – which was blindsided by the cancellation of its contract to supply submarines to Australia. On another front, Australia is under intense pressure from its two "great and powerful friends", the US and the UK, to improve its ambition…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: The Furious French and Porter's fall

Word from The Hill: The Furious French and Porter’s fall

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the intense backlash from France over the Morrison government's AUKUS security deal with the United States and the United Kingdom…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: Christian Porter's anonymous money pot

Christian Porter’s anonymous money pot

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss Christian Porter's extraordinary "blind trust" – where generous benefactors (assuming there's more than one) are helping out with…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Kate Jenkins on the women's agenda

Kate Jenkins on the women’s agenda

In the week of the National Summit on Women's Safety, Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins joins the podcast to discuss progress – and lack of progress – on issues of vital importance to Australian women. Last week, the government passed aspects of Jenkins' Respect@Work report into law. Of the 12 recommendations which called for specific legislative reform, only six were enacted. In particular…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: A Father's Day backlash hits Scott Morrison

A Father’s Day backlash hits Scott Morrison

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the criticism Scott Morrison has already faced this week. Firstly, his trip to Sydney to visit his family for Father's Day, which…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: Learning to live with COVID

Learning to live with COVID

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the June quarter national accounts, released on Wednesday. While this quarter was better than expected, the September quarter…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Pat Turner on COVID – and god botherers – stalking Indigenous communities

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Pat Turner on COVID – and god botherers – stalking Indigenous communities

COVID has been spreading quickly in western NSW Indigenous communities where low vaccination rates and poor conditions make for a toxic mix. The first Indigenous death occurred in Dubbo this week. As efforts intensify to deal with the NSW outbreak Pat Turner, CEO of the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisations (NACCHO) joins the podcast. As well as discussing the NSW situation…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Doherty's Sharon Lewin on pivoting from chasing COVID zero

Doherty’s Sharon Lewin on pivoting from chasing COVID zero

The Doherty modelling is the government's underpinning for a proposed easing of COVID restrictions once we reach targets of 70% and 80% of the adult population vaccinated. But the exit path has put Scott Morrison at odds with Western Australia and Queensland, states which would inevitably have to give up their present status of having little or no COVID. The model's priority is pivoting from reaching…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: The battle to exit COVID

The battle to exit COVID

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the frictions as vaccination rates rise and the debate turns to lifting lockdowns and border restrictions. They also canvass the…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: Was the Afghanistan War worth it?

Word from The Hill: Was the Afghanistan War worth it?

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the lost war in Afghanistan, as Australia tries to secure the evacuation of its citizens and Afghans who assisted the Australian…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Anthony Albanese says Afghans in Australia should be given permanent residency

Anthony Albanese says Afghans in Australia should be given permanent residency

Graphic pictures of mayhem confront the world as desperate Afghans attempt to flee their country, after the Taliban's seizure of Kabul. Australia's moral responsibly to evacuate people who assisted the Australian Defence Force, and may now face Taliban retribution, has become an important part of our exit from this lost war. The government is mounting a rescue mission for some of these people, as well…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Josh Frydenberg on uncertain economic times

Josh Frydenberg on uncertain economic times

When Treasurer Josh Frydenberg joined the podcast in December, the outlook was positive. While the forecast deficit was massive at nearly $200 billion, it had been revised down and the prospects for growth and employment revised up. Frydenberg said then: "Australians go into Christmas with real cause for optimism and hope". Read more: Politics with Michelle Grattan: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on promising…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: A reprimand for Christensen and Morrison on climate

A reprimand for Christensen and Morrison on climate

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversation politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle discuss the House of Representatives' slapdown of controversial Nationals MP George Christensen after his attack on COVID-19 lockdowns…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Shadow Treasurer Jim Chalmers on promoting vaccine uptake and a 'modest spending program'

Shadow Treasurer Jim Chalmers on promoting vaccine uptake and a ‘modest spending program’

In the lead up to the 2019 election, the Shorten opposition attacked the government's planned 2024 tax cuts, and promised to curb negative gearing and halve the capital gains tax discount. Last week, the Albanese opposition said it wouldn't try to unwind the tax cuts and would leave negative gearing intact - a pragmatic decision designed to make the party a small target at next year's election. Speaking…

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Podcast with Michelle Grattan: a four-stage plan and a $300 payment to get vaccinated

a four-stage plan and $300 to get vaccinated

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes "Word from The Hill", where she discusses the news with members of The Conversations’s politics team. In this episode, politics + society editor Amanda Dunn and Michelle talk about the outcome of last Friday's National Cabinet meeting - an updated four-point plan for exiting COVID restrictions via vaccination…

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: Bob Brown on his latest environmental battle, and a critique of Labor

Bob Brown on his latest environmental battle, and a critique of Labor

Since his retirement from parliament in 2012, Bob Brown has remained an activist on environmental causes - from campaigning against the Adani coal mine to fighting the threat to Tasmania's Tarkine forest. Brown was leader when after the 2010 election the Greens helped Julia Gillard retain government by entering an agreement with her. A key part of that deal was the requirement that a price on carbon…

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