Menu Close
A black and white aerial image of a large protest.Some signs say: 'I can't breath,' others say, "Black Lives Matter," others: "No Justice no peace."
In our second season, as we live through what feels like the world falling apart, we’re focusing on imagining a better future together. Teemu Paananen/Unsplash

Listen to our podcast: Don’t Call Me Resilient – Season 2

Today we launch Season 2 of Don’t Call Me Resilient, our podcast that takes on systemic racism and the ways it permeates so many moments and systems of our everyday lives. The response to our first season of our podcast, which you can catch up on here, was extremely positive.

This season we tackle everything from how we view pollution … to the impact of data collection on marginalized communities … to the crucial role of storytelling in surviving our current world and building a better one.

As we live through what feels like the world falling apart, we’ll focus on imagining a better future together.

Please listen in. Follow us: I hope you find the conversations as inspiring as I do.

You can listen to all of the episodes or follow on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to your favourite podcasts.

We’d love to hear from you, including any ideas for future episodes. Join The Conversation on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram and use #DontCallMeResilient.

Season 2 episodes

EP 7: How stories about alternate worlds can help us imagine a better future: Don’t Call Me Resilient EP 7

Stories are a powerful tool to resist oppressive situations. They give writers from marginalized communities a way to imagine alternate realities, and to critique the one we live in. In this episode, Vinita speaks to two storytellers who offer up wonderous “otherworlds” for Indigenous and Black people. Selwyn Seyfu Hinds is an L.A-based screenwriter who wrote for Jordan Peele’s The Twilight Zone and is currently writing the screenplay for Esi Edugyan’s Washington Black. Daniel Heath Justice is professor and Canada Research Chair in Indigenous literature and expressive culture at the University of British Columbia.

EP 8: Stolen identities: What does it mean to be Indigenous?

Over the last few years, we’ve seen a lot of high-profile figures accused of falsely claiming Indigenous identity, of being “Pretendians.” These cases have become big news stories, but they have big real-life consequences, too. Misidentifying as Indigenous can have financial and social consequences, with the misdirection of funds, jobs or grants meant for Indigenous peoples. Vinita delves into it all with two researchers who look at identity and belonging in Indigenous communities: Veldon Coburn from the University of Ottawa and Celeste Pedri-Spade from Queen’s University.

EP 9: Model minority blues: The mental health consequences of being a model citizen

The pandemic has taken a toll on our collective mental health. But according to a recent Statistics Canada report, South Asians reported a steeper decline than any other diaspora in Canada. Why? The idea of being a model minority — of having to live up to exacting high standards — is a big part of it. Two long-time researchers and activists join Vinita for an intimate conversation about that and other reasons why South Asians are struggling so badly, and what can be done about it. Maneet Chahal is co-founder of SOCH, one of the few mental health organizations specifically for South Asians. Satwinder Bains is the director of the South Asian Studies Institute and professor of social cultural media studies at the University of the Fraser Valley.

EP 10: Being Watched: How surveillance amplifies racist policing and threatens the right to protest

Many of us know our personal data is being collected online and used against us – to get us to buy certain things or vote a certain way. But for marginalized communities, the collection of data and photos has much bigger implications. Vinita is joined by two researchers who are calling for new protections for the most vulnerable populations. Yuan Stevens is the Policy Lead in the Technology, Cybersecurity and Democracy Programme at the Ryerson Leadership Lab and Wendy Hui Kyong Chun is professor and Canada 150 Research Chair in new media at Simon Fraser University.

EP 11: Why pollution is as much about colonialism as chemicals

The state of our environment just keeps getting scarier and scarier, yet it feels like we have yet to find a way forward. Two Indigenous scholars who run labs to address the climate crisis say bringing an Indigenous understanding to environmental justice could help us get unstuck. A big part of that is seeing pollution through a new lens – one that acknowledges it is as much about racism and colonialism as it is toxic chemicals. Vinita talks to Michelle Murphy, Professor and Canada Research Chair in science and technology studies and leader at the University of Toronto’s Environmental Data Justice Lab. Also joining is Max Liboiron, author of Pollution is Colonialism, and associate professor in geography at Memorial University of Newfoundland.

EP 12: Making our food fairer

One out of every eight households in Canada is food insecure. For racialized Canadians, that number is higher – two to three times the national average. In this episode, Vinita asks what is happening with our food systems, and what we can do to make them fairer with two women who have been tackling this issue for years. Melana Roberts is Chair of Food Secure Canada and one of the leaders behind Canada’s first Black food sovereignty plan. Also joining the conversation is Tabitha Robin Martens, assistant professor at UBC’s Faculty of Land and Food Systems. Martens researches Indigenous food sovereignty and works with Cree communities to bolster traditional land uses.

Catch up and listen to Season 1

Click here to listen to Don’t Call Me Resilient

Season 1 Trailer: Don’t Call Me Resilient

EP 1: What’s in a word? How to confront 150 years of racial stereotypes

EP 2: How to deal with the pain of racism – and become a better advocate

EP 3: How to spark change within our unequal education system

EP 4: How we treat migrant workers who put food on our tables

EP 5: Black health matters

EP 6: Indigenous land defenders


Don’t Call Me Resilient is a production of The Conversation Canada. This podcast was produced with a grant for Journalism Innovation from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. The series is produced and hosted by Vinita Srivastava. Our producer is Susana Ferreira. Our associate producer is Ibrahim Daair. Reza Dahya is our sound producer. Our consulting producer is Jennifer Moroz. Lisa Varano is our audience development editor and Scott White is the CEO of The Conversation Canada. Zaki Ibrahim wrote and performed the music we use on the pod. The track is called Something in the Water. For episode 8, Haley Lewis co-produced. For episode 9, Vaishnavi Dandekar was our editorial intern.

Want to write?

Write an article and join a growing community of more than 137,700 academics and researchers from 4,217 institutions.

Register now